Audeze LCD-2C (LCD-2 Classic) - Open-Back Planar-Magnetic Headphones - Official Thread

You know, this sounds a lot like my reaction to the AQ NightHawk Carbons. They are reeeeeeeallllly dead in the upper half, have a cotton-like haze over everything, and no nuance to the dynamics. [Keeping them around for their extreme comfort.]

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For fun, here’s a CSD.

Ignore the resonance at around 4.5 KHz, as that’s more a feature of my MiniDSP E.A.R.S. The resonance at around 7 KHz is real though, and probably a major contributor to the “sharpness” of the treble.

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Okay, I put the balanced cable back on the LCD-2Cs for critical listening with songs that I know very well. I do hear what you show: a dead range and sharpness. The impact varies by song, making some passages lifeless, others almost painfully loud, and others unaffected. They also have more mid range detail confusion (haze) than the HE-560s and Elex.

I’ll continue to reserve mine for specific genres and recordings.

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I purchased a set of these and arriving next week. This my first set of planar cans. I am not a audiophile to any extent just a casual gamer that loves building powerfull pc’s. i have a couple of other cans, 1 beyerdynamic mmx300’s and another BD gaming headset. i also got the schiit jotunheim with multibit dac and a audeze 4 pin balanced cable. im hoping they will sound better than the two i own now. I am surprised that there are not more posts about these. im glad to be aboard.

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Hi @FiddyT and welcome. I am sure you’ll hear a nice step up in quality when you get your new headphones. I hope everything goes well and happy listening.

Audeze LCD-2 Classic Review

Written by Chrono

Introduction

The LCD-2 Classic ($799), which I will be referring to as “LCD-2C,” is the current introductory model of Audeze’s full-size LCD family of headphones. The LCD-2C is essentially a simplified version of the iconic LCD-2, as they share various design aspects and driver technologies. The LCD-2C retains the LCD-2’s Neodymium N50 magnets, as well as the same magnetic structure; albeit without the inclusion of Audeze’s Fazor waveguide technology.

Sources and Music Used in Listening Tests

The amplifier/DAC used was an ifi iDSD Micro Black Label connected via USB to my desktop computer. For the listening tests I used music from a wide variety of genres including Rock, Jazz, Classical, Acoustic, Hip-Hop, and latin. I played tracks from my own FLAC library as well as from Qobuz streaming service via Roon.

What’s in the box?

I think that “bare-bones” is a fitting description of the LCD-2C’s packaging. It comes in a very simple white box with no branding, only a couple of “Fragile” stickers. The inside of the box is padded densely with foam in the same way that Audeze’s travel cases are; and there you will find the LCD-2C itself, a warranty card, as well as the excellent 1.9m, dual 4-pin mini-XLR to ¼” LCD-series cable.

Power Requirements

The LCD-2C, like the standard LCD-2, clocks in at an impedance of 70 ohms and a sensitivity level of 101dB/mw. In practice I found that these were actually very easy to drive. I did feel as though they opened up a bit more nicely when driven off a discrete headphone amp so I will ist one as required, but I do not think it has to be the most powerful one out there; I thought they sounded great when powered by a JDS Labs Atom.

Build Quality and Comfort

The LCD-2C is built using Audeze’s traditional full-size LCD design, but it features black nylon rings in lue of the usual wooden rings. Aside from the nylon rings, ear pads, and headband strap, the LCD-2C is composed entirely out of metal and it feels very sturdy. The use of nylon for the rings does come with some added benefits. Despite feeling very solid, the nylon rings reduce the headphones overall weight when compared with the wooden rings; and unlike wood, Nylon will not need any special maintenance or precautions to keep them in their best shape. My only complaint is the same one I had with the LCD-GX, and that is that the synthetic leather used on the LCD-2C makes the headband stretch very easily and I think it will need replacement not too far down the road.

Comfort on the LCD-2C was, at least to me, very good. The pads are–in usual Audeze fashion–gigantic and deep; providing ample room for your ears to fit in. While they remain relatively heavy at 550g, and are not as light as the magnesium-chassis LCD-GX, I still found the LCD-2C to be very comfortable and had no issues wearing them even in prolonged listening sessions. Clamp force out of the box was not particularly bad either. I still think that they will need some easing-in, but they did not put as much pressure on my jaw as the LCD-2; which had a pretty vicious clamp in the first couple of weeks of use. My only real complaint for comfort is–again–the headband strap’s stretching. The stretching of the suspension strap can cause the metal headband to come in contact with the user’s head; applying some pressure.

LCD-2C measurements on Headphone.com’s GRAS standardized measurement system.

Sound

As previously mentioned, the LCD-2C is a Fazor-less variant of the standard LCD-2, and therefore it should come as no surprise that both headphones share similar qualities in their frequency response and tonality. As such, I will say that the LCD-2C is not really a headphone I would listen to or recommend if you are not comfortable with using some EQ or the Audeze Reveal + plugin. The LCD-2C, like the standard LCD-2, is a headphone that greatly benefits and transforms with EQ, so I will be discussing its usage extensively in this review. As I usually like to do, I will go over the different sections of the frequency response, but for the LCD-2C I will be subdividing them into “Without EQ” and “With EQ.” For each “with EQ” section, I will go over the changes I made with EQ and why. If you would like to try the EQ profile I created for the LCD-2C in your EQ software of choice, it is as follows:

Low Shelf at 100hz, +2dB Q of 0.7

Peak at 1000hz, -3dB Q of 1.41

Peak at 4000hz, +3dB Q of 2

Peak at 6000hz, -6dB Q of 3

Peak at 8000hz, +4dB Q of 4

Bass

Without EQ

Like on other full-size LCD headphones I have listened to, the LCD-2C has great bass. The LCD-2’s bass has a great sense of depth as it extends very evenly and in almost perfectly-linear fashion all the way down to 20hz with no roll-off that I could hear. The lows here are also extremely clean, with very good control and articulation; it has no bloats causing the bass to sound muddy or boomy. Whilst I still think that the standard LCD-2 and Ananda have slightly better-textured and detailed bass, the LCD-2C is excellent in this region of the frequency response and is about on-par with the LCD-GX.

With EQ

I actually do not think that the bass region needs EQ on the LCD-2C. I really only use EQ to bring it to preference. Some might find that the overall bass level is just right, but I personally like to add 2dB under 100hz to just give the sub-bass region a little kick. It is also worth noting that the LCD-2C has very low Total Harmonic Distortion (THD), so if you would like to add an additional 5dB or 6dB or bass shelf like on the 2018 Harman Target Curve, you can definitely do that on these without running into any strange audio artifacts or distortion.

Mids

Without EQ

Unfortunately, the midrange is where the LCD-2C’s tonality starts to get a little funky. The mids on the LCD-2C have a couple of deviations that combine to really throw off the headphone’s tonality and timbre. The LCD-2C, to me, seems to actually have less severe of a recession in the upper midrange when compared to the standard LCD-2, but they still lacked a fair bit of energy at around 4.5K. The more problematic peak for me, however, was a fairly wide elevation at 1K that when paired with the lack of presence in the upper midrange resulted in the LCD-2C’s mids having a strangely dampened, congested sound in their tonality that even affected perceived resolution negatively.

With EQ

With EQ, the mids on the LCD-2C can be very easily restored and that congested tone in the timbre goes away; making them sound, to me, significantly more natural and tonally accurate. After EQ, I really enjoy the mids on the LCD-2C, as they have good body whilst maintaining a laid-back upper midrange that lends them a somewhat “sweet” sound. I would also like to add that after enabling EQ, the perceived loss of resolution effect goes away and a lot of midrange detail is able to re-surface. The LCD-2C seemed to me like it had good resolution in the mids, and was about on-par with the HiFiMan Ananda. However, I still found the LCD-GX and standard LCD-2 to be more resolving in this region of the frequency response.

Highs

Without EQ

The treble region on the LCD-2C is, again, fairly similar in tonality to that of the standard LCD-2. However, their technical performance was surprisingly different. Starting with tonality, the LCD-2C’s treble is very warm, and to me it sounded like it was actually a little darker than the standard LCD-2. Like the standard LCD-2, the LCD-2C has a prominent peak at 6K that introduced some sibilance and noticeable glare in the lower treble. To me, it also sounded like there was a dip at around 8k; brass instruments and cymbals in particular sounded like they were missing some of their overtones in that region.

With EQ

When using EQ on the LCD-2C’s highs I add a more aggressive cut at 6K than I did on the standard LCD-2, as I feel as though that peak is a little more present in the LCD-2C Additionally, I add a boost at 8K to bring back some of those shrouded overtones. With these peak adjustments in place, I feel like the treble cleans up quite a bit, with most of the sibilance and glare gone. So while there really isn’t anything bothering me for frequency response in the treble region after EQ, I find that it is in treble quality where the LCD-2C seriously falters. To me, the LCD-2C’s treble is really missing the cleanliness, extension and refinement in the highs that really impressed me on the standard LCD-2. Other headphones like the Ananda, AEON 2, and LCD-GX all sound to me like they deliver a much cleaner image of the highs, and it makes LCD-2C sound fairly grainy by comparison. The standard LCD-2 (post-EQ) is one of the best-performing headphones I have listened to thus far; only being slightly edged out by the Focal Clear. Therefore, the underwhelming treble detail retrieval of the LCD-2C was very surprising to me; especially when you consider that both the standard LCD-2 and LCD-2C are using similar, if not identical, driver technology minus the omission of Fazor waveguides on the LCD-2C.

Soundstage, Imaging, and Layering

I really enjoy the LCD-2C’s soundstage, and I personally find it to be fairly wide. For width, it is slightly narrower than the LCD-2, but I still find it to be a bit wider than the LCD-GX, DT 1990 Pro, and much wider than the HD 660S. Imaging I think is where I do think that the LCD-2C’s soundscape takes a bit of a hit, as its center-image is not as clearly defined when compared to the standard LCD-2. Occasionally it feels like it moves the different sounds either slightly to the right or to the left when I compare to other headphones. The imaging is definitely still much better than on something from the HD 600-series, but I definitely would not describe it as precise, as the standard LCD-2, LCD-GX, DT 1990 Pro, and Ananda feel more precise in that regard. Layering on the other hand I think is fantastic on the LCD-2C, as it is able to very easily distinguish all the different vocal and instrument lines that compromise the music that I listen to. Overall I find the LCD-2C to have an enjoyable soundstage presentation, it just seems to lack a bit of precision in its directionality.

Dynamics

I tend to associate full-size LCD headphones with great dynamics that enhance the emotion and energy behind the music, and I think that for the most part the LCD-2C retains that lively element. Listening to things like kick drums provides a very good sense of punch and slam on the LCD-2C just like they do on the LCD-GX and Standard LCD-2. However, I feel like while they have that satisfying low-end impact, they do not always have as much top-end attack on instruments when compared with the latter two headphones. Nonetheless, the LCD-2C has great dynamics; making for engaging listening experiences.

Conclusion

With the standard LCD-2 being one of my favorite headphones, I cannot help but to admit that I am slightly disappointed by the LCD-2C. Whilst you can definitely get a very good tonality out of it with EQ, it really lacks the technical performance and finesse that the standard LCD-2 brings to the table. If the LCD-2C was still available for its original pre-order price of $599, I think it would actually be a much better option, especially if you are comfortable with EQ. However, at its current $799 price tag and in the current headphone market, I really don’t think that buying LCD-2C makes much sense. From Audeze themselves there is the awesome LCD-GX ($899), which at only one hundred more dollars provides better technical performance, better ergonomics thanks to its magnesium chassis, and a much more natural, agreeable tonality that–ironically–I think sounds more like what listeners expect the LCD-2C to sound like. In that price range there is also the excellent Ananda from HiFiMan, which at $699 offers outstanding technical performance and one of the best natural frequency responses I have heard in a headphone. If you are looking for a headphone with great technical performance with a warm, relaxed tonality or an intro to Audeze, I think that the best options are the LCD-GX which I find to be a great introduction to the LCD series, or just go straight to the standard LCD-2 if you are fine with using some EQ.

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but… how does it game!!! :wink: great review!

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Great review, @Chrono, and a timely reminder that I should reconsider my impressions of the LCD2-C by using EQ or the Reveal plugin. Thank you!

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Really Excellent review @Chrono.

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I just saw your video review on the LCD-2C. Have you listened to the Prefazor LCD-2 before? I find them to be enjoyable without need for EQ (assuming your fine with a warm tuning).
Everyone seems to find the prefazor LCD-2 to be superior to the LCD2C. I guess they use different drivers?

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My experience as well. I was listening to my pair before reading this (but after watching the video) and I realized that at times the music is just coming from the right and left with almost no center image.

You are right on about EQ. I’ve run EQ on mine with a Harmon target for so long I forget at times the original sound. The mids and highs seem muted and less lively without the EQ. I feel like I’m missing some music with EQ off.

The low end is fantastic and it hits hard. Some of my favorite bands (Tool, Soundgarden) sound great.

I really like the look of the headphones. They are very industrial and look heavy metal. They’ve got a cool looking hole punched leather strap and there’s visible screws on the outside. The grills mean business. I’m a fan of the Audeze design.

@Chrono Great review over all. I liked the video and the written review.

For a fan of the LCD2C, what headphone has the same good qualities but solves some of its deficiencies? What’s the upgrade?

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Hey, thank you for checking out the review for the LCD-2C, and I appreciate the feedback. As far as upgrades, I’m not too sure. The only thing I can say is that I personally really like the Focal Clear; they can warm up quite nicely with EQ. Although I’ve also heard that the ZMF Aeolus is another great option if you like the LCD-2 kinda tonality.

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I have been looking at the Clears since your last review mainly because of your comments about how good guitars sounds on them.

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Yeah hahaha I play guitar, and honestly a Marshall Plexi played through a Clear sounds very much like a Marshall Plexi. I love how realistic guitars sound on them. Treble can get a little funny at times, but if you use EQ it shouldn’t be a problem.

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I believe that they do indeed use different drivers. Audeze headphones saw a driver revision across the board in 2016, and the LCD-2C is based off the current-gen LCD-2 driver. Also, I do prefer warmer sound signatures. As of now, my favorite headphones are the standard 2020 LCD-2, and the Focal Clear; both with EQ.

Also, welcome to the forums! :smiley:

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I’m no guitarist (too ham-fisted) but I agree with Chrono. Electric guitars have much more bite and precision to them on the Clear. The LCD2-C can bring out more of the growl or crunch of some guitar riffs, and I actually find them to be more appealing on a few songs. But this is a tonal and textural preference, not really a superior presentation of the sound.

Where the Clear really step ahead is in resolution and imaging - if you have several guitars playing at once, and at times overlapping, you’ll hear them separately and distinctly on the Clear. There’s more precision; the Clear are also much faster headphones, which makes a difference with electric guitars. The LCD2-C can be more mellow, though, and less fatiguing, for longer sessions. But the Clear have far superior treble extension. Chiming guitars sound muted on the LCD2-C.

As I posted above, I’ve yet to listen to the LCD2-C with EQ or the Reveal plugin. Another caveat: don’t forget that the Clear are twice the MSRP than the LCD2-C, so they really ought to be a significant step up!

A few tracks I used for comparative purposes for electric guitars re. the above statements:

The Stooges, I Wanna Be Your Dog
Neil Young with Crazy Horse, Down by the River
The Breeders, MetaGoth
Stone Roses, Daybreak
Terminal Cheesecake, Poultice
Nirvana, Radio Friendly Unit Shifter
Melody’s Echo Chamber, Some Time Alone, Alone
Mint Field, Párpados Morados
Mogwai, Rano Pano, Glasgow Mega-Snake, and Like Herod

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While you are comparing the Clear and LCD2-C are you using EQ?

@Tchoupitoulas I made a playlist of your songs - so far so good (like, the music is good :slight_smile: ) Anyway, I am using EQ settings I got from Oratory here (I am not using the preamp gain setting though)

https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets

I’m listening to Poultice, and when I turn the EQ off, it sounds very recessed and dark - a muffled sound. When I flip the EQ on, it brings it forward. What part of the frequency is doing that?

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No, I’m not. I don’t feel the need for EQ with the Clear, which isn’t to say I’m unwilling to give it a go in the future.

Until the past month or so, I’d been listening to the LCD2-C without EQ, either. The reason for this is that I’ve found it a challenging headphone to get used to. In most respects I very much like it. But I’m not sure it scratches all of the right itches. And then, as I was beginning to get a handle on its sound, the summer heat came along so I’ve been listening to music almost exclusively with IEMs and, more specifically, my Campfire Audio Andromeda 2020 (for which I’m fully in the dizzying madness of new toy syndrome). Playing with EQ on the LCD2-C is on my fall to-do list!

I’m no expert on EQ, which is part of the reason I’ve not experimented with it yet, so the following should come with a big caveat. My (limited) understanding is that those Oratory settings involve a pretty aggressive alteration to the frequency response from the upper midrange (2-4 kHz) and just into the lower treble region (4-6 kHz). More specifically, see the 7.5 dB cut (in gain) at 2600 Hz and then the 10 dB boost at 4060 Hz. (It’s worth noting that the song Poultice is pretty dark to begin with).

The changes to the treble at 6050 Hz and 8000 Hz are also noteworthy. Compare them with @Chrono’s, as listed above:

It would be interesting to see the figures for Audeze’s Reveal plug-in and to see what it does to the LCD2-C’s sound signature.

I tried Chronos EQ settings and its much closer to the original - which is to be expected. I kinda like the oratory more - which is also to be expected since its based on the Harman consumer preference curve.