Massdrop "x" & Drop (Audiophile)

OK, it’s not an X. But I see the newest Etymolic ER4SR and ER4XR now at Massdrop. I seem to have misplaced my ER-6s from years ago. I always found them a bit light on the bass end. A big bit light on the bass end. Like I don’t think they went much below Middle C.

I wonder if the ER6’s are worth the money. Thoughts?

No broad brush. My background is in empirical testing. Everyone is guilty until their product is proven usable by real people. Newbies must come in and try it, and they often perform more Stupid Human Tricks than you might imagine.

Now some engineers do have design skills, and they should maintain their work in portfolios.

That thermostat. Have known two of them that lasted well over 50 years. The originals used a mercury switch and a bimetal coil. Very intuitive. It took probably 30 years of ubiquitous use for people to realize how insanely great the design was.

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In the commercial world, don’t let (a) engineers or (b) users be designers.

One thing is for certain here in smokey silicon valley - that ain’t true! Engineers are 100% the designers even at fruity companies that “market” otherwise, or users are defining the product via a/b :slight_smile:

As for massdrop, I was more referring to their collaborations and mid-fi-for-cheap gear and its impact on the audio world, which I think has been significant. There seems no audiophile forum or product category where massdrop isn’t in the conversation … and their products certainly seem to be in everyone’s consideration set … yet near as I can tell, no manufacturers consider them competition - it seems to be the exact opposite given the collaborations!

and whatever their marketing strategy is, I’d venture that for most enthusiasts it still comes down to reviews and auditions - it did for me!

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In my usability experience we’d often have a learning curve with the engineers. After a couple projects everything went smoothly. I was in Silicon Valley and Seattle in the early Web era when everyone was blind.

But even with my own work today, there are surprises after the end users get their hands on it.

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I bought an MCTH once. Waited 6 months for it to show up. Worked for 10 minutes and then blew up.

Massdrop were kind enough to provide a full refund. Fun 10 minutes though.

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I created a dedicated thread for the Massdrop THX AAA 789 here.

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For reasons that will become apparent imminently, I’ve created a dedicated thread for the Massdrop x Cavalli Liquid Carbon X here.

Just pulled the trigger on the Sennheiser 6XX headphones. When I get them I think I’ll put my HD-580s up for sale. I don’t need both.

The price is too good to ignore. I still have my sights set on the STAX SR-L700s sometime in 2019. Or maybe another of the near top of the STAX line.

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I’m in this weird spot where I’m tempted to buy the 6XX just to try them, even though I quite like the 58X and suspect that they’re not all that different.

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oh they are different… :wink:

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But are they more different than my stock HD58X and my EQ’d 58X …

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I would say yes, mostly due to the fact that they use different transducers w/different Impedance. Mind you I sold mine awhile ago…but I remember them being warmer and more closed in sounding than the 58X…More mid forward too.

but caveat to this…auditory memory is pretty crap in humans so take what I’m saying with that in mind. I really liked the 6XX though, and I do think it edges out the 58X ever so in quality of audio…once again from memory :wink:

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I have to agree with you. I have recently been listening to my HD650’s and HD58X’s and there is a noticeable difference to me. The Mids are much better to my ears than the HD58X’s. The HD58X feel slightly more open than the 650’s. I would say that the HD650’s are a little more refined. The HD58X is a really great headphone to listen to but maybe just a little rougher around the edges than the HD650. I love them both. I know they aren’t vastly different in the grand scheme of things but there are little differences.

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Glad my memory of them wasn’t too far off

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My HD-580s are an early set - from about 1997 or 1998. I remember trying to economize by getting the HD 580s rather than the new HD-600. @bret telling me that they were very similar and almost as good.

So perhaps there may be some slight differences between them and the current 580 or 58x.

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Yes, I think a better term would be “inspired by” as they do not have the same transducers.

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As I understand it, they’re tuned pretty differently too.

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I’ve had my HD-600s since before the 6XX was created, so I will probably never buy the 6XX. Given my current DAC, amp, and balanced cable, I sincerely believe I’ve hit the technical limits of the 600 family drivers. The 600s now sound extremely good and go deeper than ever, but have slight distortion around the edges and limited dynamics.

So, they’ve become a relaxing and enjoyable set, and a welcome change of pace. This is even as Focal’s precision blows them them away and as the HE-560s reveal such scary details that I think someone is in the room and turn my head.

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