# The On-Topic, OFF-TOPIC Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous\ **Tags:** off-topic\ **Created:** [February 9, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286 "2020-02-09T23:47:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Torq](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/torq/32/16384_2.png) [@Torq](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Torq)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/1 "2020-02-09T23:47:40Z")
Since I have a historical propensity for making on-topic posts in the [off-topic thread](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-off-topic/1684), I thought it was time to self-indulgently create a thread that caters to those random “won’t fit in any existing thread, but isn’t strictly (or vaguely) off-topic” posts. So that’s what this is … **Actual** _off-topic_ posts still belong [here](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-off-topic/1684). ---
**Author:** ![Torq](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/torq/32/16384_2.png) [@Torq](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Torq)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/2 "2020-02-09T23:48:10Z")
And I had a very specific post in mind when I created this thread, which I have now forgotten … ---
**Author:** ![ProfFalkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/proffalkin/32/1399_2.png) [@ProfFalkin](https://forum.headphones.com/u/ProfFalkin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/3 "2020-02-10T02:21:57Z")
Can’t decide if that statement goes in the on topic or off topic thread… ---
**Author:** ![rrwwss52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/rrwwss52/32/945_2.png) [@rrwwss52](https://forum.headphones.com/u/rrwwss52)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 8:36am UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/4 "2020-02-10T08:36:51Z")
Every forum needs one of these… ---
**Author:** ![lost33](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/lost33/32/6850_2.png) [@lost33](https://forum.headphones.com/u/lost33)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/5 "2020-02-10T14:22:54Z")
Wow…good to see everyone has lots of spare time on their hands!! LOL Alex ---
**Author:** ![Torq](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/torq/32/16384_2.png) [@Torq](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Torq)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/6 "2020-02-11T18:10:29Z")
Bemused by another recent rash of people sending me PMs via other forums, that I rarely visit, to ask questions/argue/disagree with something they read on _this_ forum/headphones.com. Why not just do that **here**? ---
**Author:** ![generic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/generic/32/61169_2.png) [@generic](https://forum.headphones.com/u/generic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/7 "2020-02-11T18:12:42Z")
Registration makes my fingertips sore. Password 836 overloads my brain. ---
**Author:** ![ProfFalkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/proffalkin/32/1399_2.png) [@ProfFalkin](https://forum.headphones.com/u/ProfFalkin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/8 "2020-02-11T19:34:14Z")
If they are already that stupid, why bother replying? They wouldn’t understand the answer anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Torq](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/torq/32/16384_2.png) [@Torq](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Torq)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/9 "2020-02-11T19:49:23Z")
Typically I don’t. Unless their post is really long, goes into a bunch of angsty pro/con arguing with themselves about a bunch of stuff I’ve never heard (of) and then asks: “Can you tell me what you think?” Then it’s usually too much to resist responding with: “No”. ---
**Author:** ![TylersEclectic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/tylerseclectic/32/8751_2.png) [@TylersEclectic](https://forum.headphones.com/u/TylersEclectic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/10 "2020-02-12T01:09:35Z")
> [@Torq](#): > > “No”. Ok, I laughed out loud with this comment ha! My other favorite one is one you see a lot… “hey can you compare obscure DAC/amp/headphone to your a/b/c gear?” 🤔… my new answer will now just be “no”!! Lol in my best Torq impersonation (at least in my head it would be a good impersonation lol) ---
**Author:** ![Torq](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/torq/32/16384_2.png) [@Torq](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Torq)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:46pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/11 "2020-02-12T20:46:38Z")
Looking back … Admittedly with a midday drink (or two) in me (hey, I’m retired … _can it_) … I am not so sure that my current level of portable **musical enjoyment** … is any higher today than it was with a Panasonic portable CD-Player, Headroom Supreme and Sennheiser HD540 Reference (at under $1,000 all in) vs. my current A&K SP2000/Cayin N8/tia Forté … No doubt fidelity has improved, markedly … and so has SIZE … But how much I enjoy actually listening to it? Not so much … Which probably says more about the nature of enjoyment than it does equipment performance. ---
**Author:** ![rrwwss52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/rrwwss52/32/945_2.png) [@rrwwss52](https://forum.headphones.com/u/rrwwss52)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/12 "2020-02-12T21:43:19Z")
It’s five o’clock somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![tjg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/tjg/32/39628_2.png) [@tjg](https://forum.headphones.com/u/tjg)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/13 "2020-02-13T01:49:32Z")
How about desktop musical enjoyment? ---
**Author:** ![Torq](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/torq/32/16384_2.png) [@Torq](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Torq)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 2:39am UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/14 "2020-02-13T02:39:43Z")
I don’t feel the situation there is notably different. Now, if we compared what I have today, vs. what I used back then (about 25 years ago, based on the above), I’m 100% sure I would NOT be as happy with the older setup. And there’s no question that fidelity and general performance has been improved - markedly. But how much I enjoyed **that** system _then_, vs. **this** system _now_ … about the same. Though I am quite sure if I had **this** system _then_ I’d have enjoyed it more. Which, again, says more about the nature of enjoyment than the gear. ---
**Author:** ![Jaethan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/jaethan/32/46_2.png) [@Jaethan](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Jaethan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/15 "2020-02-13T17:12:02Z")
I’m chasing that feeling of euphoria that comes from an uplift in fidelity/presentation (are we allowed to say auralgasm?) and that’s sent me into an upward? spiral of upgrades and tweaking. Before you know it I’ll be trying to buy RAALs in a back alley somewhere. The HD650s just don’t do that anymore. In the same way, the reaction my wife had from me pouring pesto from a jar on dried pasta now requires several days and a bunch of laboratory equipment. ---
**Author:** ![SenyorC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/senyorc/32/13567_2.png) [@SenyorC](https://forum.headphones.com/u/SenyorC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/16 "2020-02-13T18:11:11Z")
I flew back from Germany a couple of weeks ago with a cold and since then my left ear was “blocked”. I travelled back to Germany on Monday (by road) and hoped that it would “unblock” as I have some ANC headphones I wanted to test on the flight back. Well, I am at the airport waiting for the flight and since yesterday both ears are blocked!!! I guess I won’t be making relevant conclusions 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Torq](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/torq/32/16384_2.png) [@Torq](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Torq)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/17 "2020-02-14T16:09:12Z")
Posting an ad-hoc list of my top-5 favorite headphones, even with position 4 technically covering three models, since I was undecided about that slot, generated an unholy shit-storm of messages … mostly private, but a few on various sites. Some favorites, without naming names, and paraphrasing/collating/grouping to protect the guilty: **"What no \ in your top 5?!"** I responded to a few of the more incredulous ones, just to stir the pot a bit … _No \ in my **top 10** …_ That just stoked the fires of disbelief and indignation, of course. * * * **"You’re wrong about headphone XYZ!!!"** Really? How’s that then? I’m pretty sure I have a much better idea of what I listen to and enjoy the most, than anyone else on the planet. That you have different preferences is great - but also wholly irrelevant as this was _my_ top 5, not yours. _Notably they don’t post theirs._ * * * **"XYZ should be in your top 5, especially driven by ABC and DEF - its ENDGAME!"** Well, if we took the most common products/brands cited for “XYZ”, “ABC” and “DEF” then it certainly would be endgame; _if I had to listen to those at length I’d wind up quitting the hobby entirely!_ * * * **"How come there are no closed back models in your top 5? You should have XYZ closed-back on your list!"** Shocking at is may seem, it was my top-5 open-back models, so putting a closed-back unit on there would be rather silly. But, at least a few asked a more sensible question, which was, of course, what are your top-5 closed-back models? 1. ZMF Verite Closed 2. Focal Stellia 3. Sennheiser HD820 4. ZMF Eikon 5. Focal Elegia Sadly, though, sense left the building at that point, and the predictable pattern of indignant/offended “Why do you think XYZ is better than ABC-headphone-that’s-not-on-your-list!!!” ensued. * * * If the topic had been about DACs … I think some would have been triggered to the point their heads may well have just exploded … Unless you sent me a PM whining about it, this is not referring to you. Most of it was from other sites/direct. ---
**Author:** ![ProfFalkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/proffalkin/32/1399_2.png) [@ProfFalkin](https://forum.headphones.com/u/ProfFalkin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/18 "2020-02-14T17:15:37Z")
I’m personally wondering how much of that was clear fanboyisms particular to certain sites. You can’t be an audiophile if you don’t own a Topping, according to a one site, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Torq](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/torq/32/16384_2.png) [@Torq](https://forum.headphones.com/u/Torq)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/19 "2020-02-14T17:26:22Z")
Lots of it. And a good deal of it from serial-side-graders, keeping themselves trapped in Pov-Fi, as they chase the next group-think FoTM while obsessing about what other people think of them/their gear - rather than waiting a bit, not buying silly bits of do-nothing tat, and going for an actual, clear, upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![angstorms](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.headphones.com/angstorms/32/9017_2.png) [@angstorms](https://forum.headphones.com/u/angstorms)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286/20 "2020-02-14T18:08:39Z")
Some of the issues you see are similar in how people respond in Gamming for PC & Console, GPUs markets a lot of passion and also misinformation flowing in these communities. The hardest group I ever dealt with in my product forums was working with the Bitcoin miners. It was an interesting group, You would see the worse of people since money is online not just an opinion and ego. But we also had that too. On positive slant, It is interesting looking at your stats where passion in this forum sits and where the energy/gravitas is. Torq I say you had a positive influence on this community. | Vendor | Views | Replies | | --- | --- | --- | | RAAL SR1a | 18,200 | 718 | | HEDD HEDDphone | 8700 | 541 | | ZMF Vertie C | 7900 | 344 | | DROP HD58x | 8600 | 331 | | Focal Elegia | 8300 | 307 | | Focal Stellia | 9100 | 289 | | ZMF Vertie Open | 7500 | 257 | | Campfire Audio Solaris | 3800 | 226 | | Audeze Mobius Planar | 7800 | 178 | | Focal Clear | 5900 | 169 | | Campfire Audio Andromeda | 5700 | 136 | | Focal Utopia | 3400 | 116 | | Campfire Audio Cascade Closed | 4600 | 85 | | Sennheiser HD 820 | 4000 | 67 | | Focal Elex | 6600 | 50 | [Next page](https://forum.headphones.com/t/the-on-topic-off-topic-thread/5286.md?page=2)