2.1 Channel setup discussion with photos!

Yes, it is a stellar product I have heard it at our TSAV shop and really liked it!

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What @MRHifiReviews just said. I was looking at the LaScala’s not that long ago - do you ever think of adding a sub to them? They do make the room come alive.

I am definitely interested and curious, but haven’t spent much time looking into subs. My only experience with them is from the ā€œhome theater in a boxā€ days and those weren’t that great. You have me wanting to researching them now though! :laughing:

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Let me state the proposition a bit more clearly. The La Scala’s make the room come alive. They benefit from corner placement, but less so than the AK6. The spec on the current La Scala says bass goes down to 51hz. I went to two Klipsch dealers, and while both thought a sub was a help with this speaker, one had one set up, and I heard it briefly. Yes, it makes a difference - especially in classical with orchestra, think tympani.

I did not get a chance to listen to a lot of music with this configuration, but I’m certain you’ll find the research worthwhile.

I really like your room. The La Scala’s just belong there. I’m looking to eventually replace my 1970 vintage Rectilinear III’s which people think of as large today, but back in the day were a compact alternative. :wink: I would love to get the AK6’s and have the right room for it, but would need to completely reconfigure how its set up now. Which requires disposing of a piano in one corner and figuring out how to replace a huge home-entertainment cabinet (main Hi-Fi electronics, VPI Scout Turntable and 42 inch TV) in the other corner. Both wife and I like the idea that we can close the doors of the cabinet on the TV.

So I envy you the space. Wife thinks the Rec III’s are the right size, and that the Maggie 3.7 was a non-starter. Life is full of compromises.

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Adding subs really changes the game, once you go stereo subs it’s almost impossible to go back.

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This 100% echos my experience as well!

Dual custom-made sealed subs change my home theater and 2-channel (2.2) experience drastically.

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100% this. Just added the SVS 3000 Micro in piano gloss black to my Dali Oberon On-wall speakers and could never go back to 2.0. Perfect compliment to flush out the low end and would never know the sub was there until you turn it off. Love the SVS app with room gain correction, parametric EQ and low pass filter to perfectly blend the cross-over levels, all while sitting in the couch. Highly recommend the micro if aesthetics and space are a priority. Not to mention WAF is off the charts!

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If you do research subs, check out the SWARM / DEBRA approach. 2 subs is much better than 1, but 4 is (well, can be) even better than 2. :slight_smile: No need to break the bank either.

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And then there is me, a Head-Fier, just finding out stereo subs are a thing that exists.

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I got my first basic ($500) sub a while back and now I can’t go back.

When I was in my most recent apartment (currently moving), I could only use them on 10-20% capacity and it made a world of difference.

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Is that because at low frequencies drivers even a significant distance apart are able to reinforce each other?
I had wanted a big single one - I can say, but not afford Thor’s Hammer.
But I see even Wilson Audio is evolving their sub product line.

I would say that is part of it – the reinforcement allows each sub to do less ā€œworkā€ and thereby stay well within their linear region of operation. I think multiple subs can also do a lot to help smooth out room modes.

Aesthetics are another issue, of course. Four subs arranged asymmetrically, even if they’re not huge, can be a challenge.

I would recommend listening to a distributed setup before spending big bucks on something from Wilson or JL Audio, especially if you’re more interested in filling in the bottom octave for music than rattling the windows.

OTOH, if you want high output and are willing to do a little building, there’s this:
Tuba HT (folded horn enclosure).

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I have long thought that if I were to build a new home or to relocate and have a large room to work with, that I would want to go old school, and build a horn into the wall.

That would be interesting, but if newer tech came out that location could be compromised. Go big

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Can you imagine the lack of WAF appeal on this room, or maybe it would appeal to some partners!?

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The speakers already ate the wife a long time ago. :joy:

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I love the design of those speakers! Very industrial!

I did look at the SWARM / DEBRA and it’s a very interesting idea. The question is whether WAF would be positive or negative with a smaller stand-mounted speaker. I could see this with Harbeth HL5 Plus XD sized main speakers, but doubt WAF would be positive for more than 2 subs.

Also, I could see this approach with SMALL subs - say 5 or 6 inch in a smaller space like my office where I have the EgglestonWorks Nico Evo speakers. Listen at low levels, but do like some bass.

Is there something magic about 4 nodes? or is it better thought of as 6 nodes coupling with the mains? While the office speakers are modern 2 way 6 inch mid/woofer reflex design, at home I’ve lived with some of the first properly designed speakers, a pair of Rectilinear 3 highboys, 3 way speakers, modified years ago but essentially a 12 inch woofer properly done bass-reflex fairly large enclosure, I think the spec is -3db at 40 hz. (vs 32hz for the office speakers).

My room is about 15 x 25, with a large arch opening into the entryway, then the dining room. So the 1940’s house almost gives an L shaped main listening room. I haven’t a clue what that would do to the nodes, interference or whatever. Due to placement of a piano, TV (media cabinet) windows and radiators, I place my speakers along the long side of the wall and listen across the width of the room when doing critical listening. (and when I say along the wall, I mean out a bit and slightly angled)

So the SWARM/DEBRA stuff, seems to give info for a basic rectangle room. Comments please.

I’m planning out my first stereo build with a pair of Philharmonic BMR Towers and figured I’d ask for any advice in case I’m missing something.

I already own a Bifrost 2, record player, and use Roon.

  • miniDSP SHD Studio connected to Schiit Bifrost 2 via SPDIF coaxial AND a record player with Schiit Mani 2 phono preamp to
    
  • Schiit Freya S preamp (Bifrost is connected via XLR and Mani will be RCA) to
    
  • BuckeyeAmps Hypex NC252MP Power Amplifier, 2-channel to
    
  • Philharmonic BMR Towers
    

SHD Studio will serve as my Roon endpoint and do any DSP room correction.

Any and all advice is appreciated. Thanks for reading!

Oh yes, mine would say, WTF ! I was gone for a few days and come home to this, what were your thinking

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