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You don’t find ant drop in overall SQ when doing any EQ?

I use the same EQ program, and even flat, no adjustments, there is a perceived drop in SQ as opposed to running it in exclusive mode from Tidal.

In my head?

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Could be in your head haha. I’ve never heard of anything like that happening unless there’s something weird going on with the signal path. So for example, anytime you use virtual audio cables, there’s a risk it can cause resampling, and this is very audible. Also, I’d caution you about using Tidal’s exclusive mode a bit. Unless they’ve fixed it, apparently there’s an issue with Tidal’s player in exclusive mode where you don’t get full bit depth during playback (this may only be an issue with MQA). I also came across this recently, and while I can’t do this test myself, it does line up with some of reports I’ve been hearing about Tidal and exclusive mode.

In some ways though Roon is no better, because while the player is much better, you can only run it in exclusive mode without severe quality loss issues. For most audiophiles that’s not a huge problem, but for anyone wanting to pause and quickly switch to other audio like watching a youtube video, you have to close the program or turn off exclusive mode. The quality loss in non-exclusive mode with Roon is severe, far worse than using Tidal’s exclusive mode. So really I’d only use Roon if you’re planning it for a specific audio setup that has exclusive mode on all the time. Otherwise, I’d use Tidal’s non-exclusive mode (or Qobuz if you have it).

EDIT: It looks like exclusive mode on Roon has been improved so you just have to wait a bit and refresh your browser to resume playback from other programs.

Does your EQ software adjust the volume level to add headroom to the signal? This seems to be a fairly common feature in software equalizers. If so, then you might just be responding to the reduced volume when you engage the EQ.

As an example, here is Roon’s explanation of their headroom management feature which does this. Even if you make no other changes in Roon’s DSP/EQ the output will sound quieter because of this attenuation.

Edit to add: @Resolve, I’ve never run Roon in Windows, but on macOS when I pause the music it releases exclusive mode after a few seconds. So it’s not too awkward to pause the music, watch a YouTube video, and then go back to playing music. There’s no need to exit the app. It just takes a few seconds to transfer back to the OS mixer.

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It looks like they’ve improved this on Windows as well. I normally only use it on my testing setup, because it is excellent for use with Qobuz and Tidal material, so there’s no harm in having it be fully in exclusive mode all the time. I just did a test though and while at first I got a message saying ā€œaudio render failed, restart your computerā€, waiting a minute or two and reopening the video seems to have worked. I do still wish you could run it in non-exclusive mode like you can with Tidal or other software. If anyone wants to hear digital artifacting, try using Roon in non-exclusive mode. It becomes instantly recognizable. Exclusive mode also means you have to use their EQ system (which is admittedly great, it just requires using different EQ presets from EQ APO).

Hmm. All gets a bit messy.

I’ll try Tidal in non-exclusive mode and see. I feel like when I tested it their was a perceived difference. So something happening.

And the EQ thing had no adjustment settings, bands or overall. If I have it running and just play music, it does constantly suggest the music is ā€œclippingā€, with that bar going to red often. Can’t imagine it actually is…?