the lowest I’ve seen LCD4/Utopia is right around the 1850 price point… 1500 is coming just not sure if it’s '22 or '23.
Hopefully you love it! Of course, it’s very much up to personal taste and source chain, but so far, I’ve preferred the Utopia to all of the other flagships I’ve heard.
Not quite but that seems to be the direction it’s going
Nah, you should get the new one and let us know if it can be resolving as your sus in your chain. lol
Haha sure, will do.
My Susvara, 1266 TC and VC were all bought used. Chances that from everything out there I’m getting a brand new Utopia are exactly zero. Honestly I don’t know how anyone is willing to spend $5K on that unless the changes from the OG for less than half the price (and we know where it’s heading) are basically a different class of new TOTL headphones
To be fair, aren’t most of us with flagships spending nearly double over headphones in the same line for fairly minor improvements? Like, absolutely noticeable and preferable (usually), but not mind blowing differences.
To be fair, (sorry @andris for borrowing your intro) there is no indication the original Utopia will be selling for half off. If you are comparing the cost of a used Utopia to $5k, that is a skewed correlation given the current cost of the Utopia at $4.4k.
All information leaked out should be taken with a grain of salt, sure there are probably some people who have already heard the updated model and reviews will likely be coming closer to its launch. I guess all of this is pure speculation for the sake of speculating.
Further speculation on my part, the used price of the current Utopia tanking to $1.5k?? Come on now folks! What indication is there that will be the trend, I have been tracking the used market and with the exception of a few outliers the avg price used is in the high $2k range. Hell if you look at current listings from this past week once info was leaked about the new model, there are a few listed above $3k.
If someone can snag them for that price, that is awesome and worth snagging without blinking. Unless of course they are faulty in some manner.
For those of us willing to upgrade a few hundred shekels more than current Utopia, hope they are readily available at launch so we can get some impressions. Hope those early adopters were keen enough to score a good discount too
Of course it’s speculation but used vs new is a fair comparison if it’s in good condition. As long as we don’t know the difference between the supposed new version to the OG and 2020 it’s all theory. I don’t buy new audio gear, especially not TOTL because I personally believe others keep real good care of it and I can get it then for much less on the used market. YMMV.
As for current used market prices - anyone paying more than $2200 is paying for boxes and cables or is impatient. All might be valid reasons for some. Not for me. I had multiple opportunities to buy it in real good condition for $2K and decided not to. Of course I’m speculating but I do think prices will continue to drop on all gear as the economy keeps its current trends. It’s harder to sell stuff these days and everything stays longer available compared to a year ago. That’s my experience and again, YMMV.
I think the Utopia is right on the edge of what beryllium dynamic drivers can do. Any more resolution and they might resonate/whine and thereby make the treble sensitivity worse. Any less sensitivity and they’d move in the direction of the Clear.
Or, a new Utopia could be a retuned sidegrade in the vein the OG Clear to MG Clear.
The only bloody improvement they mention is reliability of the driver and more linear treble, basically. What that language masks in regards to the actual FR will have to be heard and seen on FR graphs.
Speculating here but I have a suspicion they meddled with the driver to improve reliability but couldn’t get it to level up with the previous model and so ended up doing what they could to “smoothen” it out and charge $500 more to give us the privilege.
The exact opposite may occur if the new U’s suck, making the old one’s a nostalgic reference point to be sought after.
If someone wants to send me a new one to evaluate on my rig just let me know!
An example. A used Sebenza 21 can sell for more than a new Sebenza 31.
For people excited about the sub $2000 Utopias, keep in mind that those are probably old Utopias that are likely out of warranty or close to being out of warranty. Repairs on Utopia drivers are not cheap, and I know people complain a lot about how expensive the replacement pads are as well. So, caveat emptor here…
For the facelift Utopias (2020 +), those are closer to $2500, and will probably stay around that range. Sure you’ll occasionally find someone selling a pair for $2000, but I wouldn’t expect it to be the norm.
I shopped for used Utopias a year or two ago. Some used sets were bundled with aftermarket cables, and had prices that basically gave the cable(s) away. A buyer could have flipped them for $200, $500, or more, bringing the net cost down to <$2,000.
You’re not wrong, and people should just know what they’re buying into like anything else in this hobby.
I do believe we’ll see more sub $2K Utopias in the not so far future. And as I said in my original post that kind of started this - if that happens, I’ll bite. Knowing the risk but also paying less upfront might be worth it for some and not for others.
At the end of day the driver could fail on a $2500 or $3500 pair, nothing promises it’ll stay perfect for life.
I picked up my Utopia used for about $2200 on ebay at the beginning of this year. No warranty, but so far no problems at all. I probably should have held out for a set WITH warranty, but I got caught up in the last seconds of an ebay auction and clicked when I probably shouldn’t have. lol Zero regrets, though, as Utopia has turned out to be exactly what I didn’t even know I was looking for.