OMG . 
My trustee old Lcd 2 Headphones just died. Check this out. I sold them at insane low price $455 Cost me ship and fees $50 low price to help finance new Lcd 4s coming today. So now I have to eat my ship out buyer ship back. It cost me $100 ship and refund $455 and now have broken headphones . 
If anybody know how much I should get out of these with ship included, please let me know so I can list them on head fi. Thanks . Tom
Why were they returned? Did you offer them āas isā explaining why they werenāt functioning properly?
I ask because what you can expect to receive for them depends on how much they are going to cost to fix.
It sounds like the buyer decided it was too much to get them workingā¦but maybe Iām reading into things here as I donāt have all the facts.
No. I sold them as working because they were working fine last week. I sent them and the right driver did not work any more. Iām glad although I lost money, that way someone didnāt have them for a short time and have them go bad then. I simply unwound the deal and refunded all charges and paid him for having to send them back.
They have a case and cables, so they must have some value. Iāll probably do a best offer. After a little research, I did find out that Audeze did have right driver issues early on.
Thatās a real drag but you certainly did the honourable thing.
I suppose itās a matter if deciding if itās more practical to fix them and sell a working pair at a better price or let someone else do the math.
I really liked the LCD2 when I heard them but the price threw me back when they were released.
In all my years with music forums and our headphone hobby, I have found no other group of people more honorable then ours. 
Iāve likely said enough already on this topic but was prompted to post more āphilosophicā speculation by a reply, so will chime in again 
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You donāt have to go back that far and 10 times the price is not in line with much over that period. I think I posted a relative 
value chart somewhere in this thread.
Real estate took 30 years to increase 10 times on a large scale and they donāt make more of it. Even at that, itās likely a bubble to some degree.
Most automobiles took about 50 years; but theyāre also virtual computers now with much, much more technology/R&D involved.
If you go back far fewer years and just look at the price difference between the HD800 now, as opposed to when it was released (w.no R&D) you can see there is a fair bit of greed involved.
But at least Sennheiser has a business model that allows for a collaboration with a company like Massdrop if they believe they can pump up the volume; once theyāve squeezed enough profit from a pair of flagship cans in an increasingly competetive market that is 
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I think the HD6XX and now the HD58X prove that much of my ātheoryā (but whaddo I know, Iām just a Joe 
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Companies simply charge whatever they think they can get, especially in this market these days. Big, successful companies can afford to share the wealth a bit (if it serves their ends)
If you have the spare cash and feel itās important enough to spend that kind of money on a hobby in this 'ol worldā¦itās your money and free will to use as you see fit.
I guess Iām just more reserved than many/most. Also, I enjoy listening to music more than comparing listening devices; so Iām likely not as much of a true headphone hobbyist as some on these forums 
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To each his own as they say.
Headphones as Veblen Good?
My point is that when you spend good money on something there is an expectation of build quality.
So as an example since people like to talk about the HD800s is that itās all plastic and a lack of build quality from the stand point of esthetics , although they are liked sound wise by many and I really wanted to buy them last year.
But I just couldnāt bring myself to spend the 2199.00 that they sell for locally , although I did end up purchasing the LCD X.
They cost me 1470.00 on sale and I love the sound and really love the build quality.
Heavy , yes and for some thatās a problem but I find them very comfortable.
Again no plastic, all metal and solid feel.
I did have the hd700 and could not understand the pricing for them.
Plastic and cheap feeling although the sound was not as bad as people were saying online, big problem for me was at a certain volume the driver would rattle and the replacement pair did the same so I sold them.
If you have the money to buy and collect headphones then great, but I put value on a solid product since I tend to keep things for a longer duration than some.
I think there is definitely some of that going on! Especially in emerging markets ā¦
I would tend to look at build quality as using the right materials for the job and then making things as solid, durable, and aesthetically appealing as possible (with the understanding that aesthetics are very personal).
Which does not necessarily mean using metal and wood ājust becauseā.
Now, in the case of the LCD-X - and the greater LCD-line it works. Whether thatās because of the materials selected, or in spite of them, is impossible for anyone but the design team to say ā¦ but theyāre a great sounding can without major, obvious, build issues.
They look great too.
At the same time ā¦ Iāve never seen a broken HD800 or HD800S.
They might not look as pretty to people that like wood and metal on things (I used to like that in my cars, now I prefer leather and carbon fibre), but theyāre solidly built, from materials chosen for the engineering problems that were being addressed.
Ironically the most expensive headphones I know of are also the ones that use the cheapest feeling/looking āwoodā (apparently for the sake of it), with thin metal stampings that ring like a bell (pretty much the polar opposite of what you want in a transducer) and the cheapest connector option going. That they sound as good as they do is, to me, more of a surprise than anything.
Just like Bose Radios and Johnnie Walker Black in India.
Thatās funny to me as my 12+ year old plastic HD650s are just fine, while Iāve seen numerous Audeze and HFM models disintegrate within a year. Iād argue the HD800 line is better built than most everything hifiman has made, and the majority of Audezeās products, especially where it matters most, in the transducer.
Ok so you like your Sennheiser.
But Iām talking about my preference and Iām still considering getting the 660s but they donāt cost nearly what the 800 cost.
In the long run Iāll let you know how my Audeze hold up.
I never mentioned hifiman simply because I donāt support products made in China , or Gina like someone said lol
FWIW, I like both my Sennheiser HD58X like @ProfFalkin and my LCD2C. Using cars from the 80s and 90s as an analogy, the Sennheiser is a little like a Toyota. Itās not flashy, even seems a little cheap at first blush, but itāll last a long time. The LCD2C is a little like my first Volkswagen - it makes a really solid and high quality first impression, and the basic design is sound, but there are fit and finish issues. In the case of my LCD2C, the screw that attaches the yoke to the adjustment tower constantly comes loose.
Iād also say concerning price is that the price for the LCD 4 is ridiculous.
5400,00 in Canada and for that price you can buy a used car.
But I can understand , back to cars some can afford to purchase a Ferrari and others can buy a vw or Toyota.
Thereās a market for both , but with headphones I just have to draw a line for me.
I only spend more than 1000.00 if the build quality meets my standards, and sure Iād love to add the 800s to my collection but they cost the same as my Martin & Logan speakers that I purchased a few years ago.
But like Iāve said the 660s are definitely on my list for this year because I think thereās good value in them just like the 600, I am in no way a Sennheiser hater.
As with any hobby, if people are willing to spend the money, the price will be there.
Take sneakers for example. I draw a line at functional and affordable. Some people donāt have that line and buy these instead https://www.ajc.com/news/national/nordstrom-selling-taped-distressed-shoes-for-530/wjnKQTOUGs07Rdu85UdB7L/
Although Iād love to get the Nike self lacing shoes.
Of course for the sole reason I have a bad back;)
No doubt about it. There is value in some higher dollar headphones. I could never buy any of the high dollar cans unless there were other considerations. For instance, if one wa able to buy use for much less money, condition, build quality, warranty, etcā¦ They also need to be integrated into a capable system to bring out what they are worth.
I have had Focal Utopias I bought at a bargain price from dealer Iāve bought equipment for over 20 years. I was able to buy them at a price I could break even with. I did not for my ears think wāre were worthy of the price I paid. I sold them to someone who also got the great deal I got, but he now he had no warranty, since Focal does not transfer warranties.
Next, I decided to buy Audeze LCD4S with 3 yr warranty, and new earpads. Although it was used, it was like new. I was able to buy them for 2200. I canāt imagine any deal better than that. I trade equipment a lot but these are going nowhere.
If one waits, there are plenty of deals like that out there. Oh, did I say that nasty word " wait " which I barely ever am able to do.
Nice word play!
Do you always have to write my replies for me? I appreciate it and you likely say it better; but give a guy a break 
The only thing you didnāt include has also been saidā¦my āplasticā HD650s have lasted >a decade without a scratch or problem. Iāve bought new pads a few times but I think thatās a āproblemā with all headphones.
Love itā¦gonna steal it!