Roon or Audirvana and why

Yea when I saw the Audirvana announcement, the first thing I thought was subscription based and more like roon. Well I was half-right. They are asking a lot for something that doesn’t have any thing that I can see that requires a subscription. There’s no database of artist bio/info, and no curated radio feature. So what are you paying for? Access to internet radio which is already free elsewhere?

Maybe those features will be added soon, but the cost of Audirvana is nearly the cost of Roon monthly. I have both full Roon and Audirvana 3.5 licenses, so I’ll just continue to use Roon at home and Audirvana on the go.

I’ll probably try out Audirvana Studio trial but it’d be hard for me to swap over considering I just paid for a full Roon lifetime 2 months ago.

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I decided to tinker with JRiver MC. and pre-ordered v28 which is not yet released. I think it sounds better than Roon and is right there with Audirvana. JRMC is quirky, but sure sounds good. I’m using a Bryston BDP-2 as a DLNA renderer.

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Mac or Windows for you?

And how does the UI stack up against Audirvana?

Imac currently. I had the Master Licnese up until v25.

The Audirvana UI is much simplier. I’ve been using JRMC for years, and still don’t feel like I know it as well I should. I can make it play music, so I’m happy with that. I also like the jremote ipad app. I use JRMC, abandon it, and then go back to it.

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Does JRiver support UPnP?

I would assume so since it supports DLNA. The JRiver MC Forums discusses employing uPnP back into version 11 (2004).

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I’ve used Roon for many years and loved it but when it was time for a payment I ditched it and bought audirvana (glad I did before it switches to monthly!) but I’ve been sadly missing the interface of Roon.

A) audirvana bothers me (maybe there is a simple solution I’m not seeing) as when I go to my albums and scroll down it takes awhile as I have lots of albums saved on tidal. When I click on a album but then back out it takes me back to the top and I have to scroll all the way down again forcing me to scroll down and wait over and over for it to refresh another chunk of albums. This is starting to hinder me picking out what I want to listen to as the effort of going through it is bothersome and takes a couple minutes to scroll through.

Also how they organize albums when say searching John Coltrane. Room seems to organize regular albums versus other less known albums much better and no duplicates but rather clicking on one album and having an option to look at other versions. Everything is just more fluid and better organized on Roon.

Problem is I own audirvana and don’t pay anything anymore and that pro outweighs the con for the time being but once I’m back up and doing good I’d like to switch back to Roon’s lifetime edition. It’s just hard to click thebutton given how expensive it is and how I can get by with what I have.

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Yeah, that’s me too. I don’t think it even matters how powerful your computer is but I’m grateful it’s not as bad as amarra way back when.

It better be for that price!

Yeah, I wish Roon implements some sort of tiers…the more you pay the more features you unlock. I just don’t use all of Roon’s features that’s why it’s hard for me as well.

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JRiver has been my choice for many years now: I’m using as DLNA server for Raspberry PI based renderer running DietPi. It sounds great (or I should say, in combination with the renderer sounds great) and has the best library management capabilities out there. I can browse my classical music library is so many different ways, exactly the way I want. With Roon and any other software I had to browse it the way the software wanted me to do

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Does anybody know if Roon still plans on removing their lifetime billing option? If so, any estimates on when?

Yes, they’re still going to kill the lifetime subscription.

No new info on when, but when they upped the lifetime fee they were pretty clear it could be at any time and may come without warning.

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So maybe the title of this thread should now be “Roon or Audirvana or Music/iTunes and why”

I found this from Apple’s FAQ…

“You can listen to lossless audio using the latest Apple Music app on an iPhone, iPad, Mac, or Apple TV.7 Turn on lossless audio in Settings > Music > Audio Quality. You can choose between Lossless and Hi-Res Lossless for cellular or Wi-Fi connections. Note that Hi-Res Lossless requires external equipment such as a USB digital to analog converter.”

This makes me think they’ll update the Music app on the Mac to support sample-rate switching. If that’s the case, this might be the best and most complete solution for those who need a simple, basic music player on the Mac. In addition, the lossless announcement for Apple Music. This makes it pretty damn compelling.

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I have patiently used Audirvana 3.5 for one year now.
In comparison to my previous software, Amarra, it was a major improvement both for graphics, UI and library management.
That said after one year I feel that are more the flaws than the good.
Slow library charging, slow library sync, struggle with wrong metadata settings just to name the major.
With my surprise instead of work on the flaws of their last release Audirvana has decided to release a new subscription service, stating that 3.5 lifetime will not be implemented anymore.
I’m sorry but as a buyer I find this move not much respectful to those who spent 100 euros buying a product that’s gonna live or die as it is.
That said I was using Roon because of my job as records reviewer and I appreciate it very much.
I don’t want to mix work and private things so I contacted Roon team and they gave me a free 2 months trial period.
At the end of that period I’ll subscribe annually to Roon.
No lifetime licence. After the experience with Audirvana no more lifetime.
What is useful today for my purpose using a Innuos Zen Mini MK3 to listen to my music bought on Bandcamp may become unuseful in 3/4 years and I’ve no more intention to invest on lifetime licence.
I use what I need today and tomorrow will see.
Enjoy.

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So I had asked Roon about this before asking in this thread and they just got back to me today. They mentioned that they will NOT be getting rid of the lifetime subscription. I don’t know if it’s a disconnect in communication or maybe they changed their minds but that’s what they told me in the email…

“And, there are no plans to remove the lifetime billing option.”

Just passing along the info…

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I have to comment that I haven’t seen a topic flip so quickly as Roon vs Audirvana. Two months ago this forum was done with Roon and now it’s done with Audirvana. I was at the time wondering if I’d wasted my money on Roon.

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No money waste in Roon for sure.
Better interface, better general system, better UI, better fine settings of your system.
No game for all this with Audirvana which is slow, inefficient and frustrating in use to me.

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I think only you can answer that. If you’re taking advantage of all of Roon’s features/interface and enjoying it as it is right now, then maybe not. Although compared to Audirvana, you’re definitely getting your money’s worth.

I am often reminded by the tech community to never buy a product solely based on the promise of future updates; buy a product for what it offers right now…I think that is sound advice and one that I will try to always keep in mind.

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LOL, I’m one of the flip-floppers.

I tried JRiver, Audirvana and Roon late last year. I didn’t like JRiver’s file management (specifically for albums that had several different artists) so that left Audirvana and Roon. I didn’t think I noticed any difference between those two, so I paid for the cheaper one. But over time, I discovered that I wasn’t using Audirvana, and I realized that I was biased against the additional cost of Roon.

Knowing that this was really about money, I reduced my DirecTV bill by dropping premium channels I wasn’t watching, and this allowed me to justify to myself getting a Roon lifetime membership. Bear in mind that I had the funds to buy the lifetime membership, but being the child of people who grew up in wartime Britain, I have to battle the psychological barrier of “can I justify that expense”, because apparently “I get enjoyment out of it and I can afford it” just isn’t enough.

Anyway, I’m really enjoying Roon, which I use every day. If I think of it as a piece of audio equipment, it was a wonderful purchase.

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No flip-flopping here.

I’ve been a user of both, for different purposes, since they were first, respectively, released.

They’re really only “comparable” at the most superficial level. And that’s a simple use case that involves playing from a single source, to a single destination, for a single user. If that’s how someone intends to use Roon, then it’s missing 95% of what Roon does.

Audirvana (3.5 or Studio) can only do two things that Roon can’t. The first is host plug-ins. There are easy ways around this for local playback. The second is stream to DLNA/UPnP endpoints. None of which need Audirvana in the first place, it just happens to be convenient if you don’t want to setup your own DLNA/UPnP server first (which is trivial to do).

Audirvana’s benefit was that it was a one-time $79 perpetual license that allowed use on two machines, where Roon was $100/year (or $500 lifetime, later $700 lifetime) which allowed a single core (server), but as many users, controllers and end-points as you want - all of which could play independently or in sync.

You can have all your Roon users streaming different things to different devices, all using different EQ, DSP, and other settings, all at once, on one license, simultaneously. If you want to do that with Audirvana Studio then it’s one license PER simultaneous user, still can’t do proper distributed audio, still has issues with it’s network replay that have been around since 3.5, and winds up costing more than Roon!

Since Studio spells the end of development for 3.5, with many issues long-since left unresolved, it’s basically a dead-end product. I decided I’d rather spend $100 a year on another Roon license (my main license is a lifetime one from the first month it was available) for my laptop (which can’t see my core when I travel, and I didn’t want to deal with switching core licenses around) … which works … and is FAR more functional … than spending $70 a year on Audirvana Studio (especially in its current state).

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Oh I flipped. But my lean towards Audirvana was due to the purchase of a license. Once the whole sub model came out and the reviews were iffy, I went ahead and purchased a lifetime for Roon. I realize Roon could fold or something could happen, but I just do not need to pay another subscription.

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