Topping A90 Discrete - Official Thread

So I am back here much later having acquired the D90SE stack and will post my impressions.

I set up A90 discrete to do a long listening session using D90SE as a DAC (set to 00 Db output, BT=off, output V =5, filter= fast roll off minimum - the defaulty) connected to A90D via Mogami Studio Gold XLR 3’ cables. HPs were HIFIMAN Arya via 4.4 mm A90D output, gain is M). I used Aryas because my goal is to comment on how A90D projects those HPs’ famous soundstage. I used stock power and USB cables and no power conditioning, listening on a dedicated power line.

Tracks were Fruhlingsgefuhle by Melokind, Magnetar by Mark Lettieri, Beldiya by Triplego, Twice by Ludovici Einaudi (Reimagined by Mercan Dede) Lifted by Love by KD Lang, Drover by Bill Callahan.

I also have the IFI micro iDSD Signature also (an integrated portable DAC/amp). I will comment on that briefly below, as I am mostly a DAP man (and the iDSD signature is after all more portable than most DAC/Amps). For DAPs I mostly use Cayin N6ii and Hiby R8, and it was compared to them I made the bulk of this A/B comparison. Sorry if this seems a bit strange but it may be useful to DAP users. I will add a comparison of my 64 Audio U12Ts at the end

WRT the Aryas, I was immediately struck by the difference between my DAPs and the stack in the overall smoothness and detail retrieval especially in the treble region. There are details not readily discernible on my DAPs that can I can hear, way high on the A90D, ie snare brush strokes but also breathy vocalizations or wind-like sounds that are elevated by the D90SE-A90D combo. Some softer instruments that had been hidden in the mix before were now more distinguishable on the Topping stack. Treble was also more forward placed in the mix, I was noticing a lot more snappy, crispy, sparkly details up top, especially on percussion instruments- transients were perfectly timed. OTOH as noted treble is smooth, I heard no harshness or sibilance, nor is it shouty or shrill - lower treble in the vocal range is clear, breathy, consonants are forward but really just right.

This all continued down into the mids, which were very real and present. On these tracks, voices are forward- intimate even, but not ‘in the head’ and when soft it’s like they are whispering in my ear or just behind it- more about this under imaging, below. No issues here of concern

Bass- on my DAPs bass quantity was always strong (especially EE Legend X and U12T), but with The Stack I am hearing a lot more bass detail, as well as loads of rumble and slam (read: lots), I think sub-bass rumble is in fact more - but with an important caveat. Roon DSP allows me to dial up a bass shelf and the Topping Stack scales up on this impressively- I encourage you to try it. The bass control I had wanted, hoped for in my DAPs is -THERE- . This is really noticeable on Bill Callahan’s Drover- kind of a test track for physical drums. With the Roon bass shelf ( below 60 Hz m, + 4 DB) those drums are right in the room with me. Mid-bass (especially bass guitar) vibration is palpable. Bass remains forward but there is zero bleed or suppression of lower mids. Micro-dynamics (max bass to max blackness in between bass drops) is excellent, decay seems a bit faster than with my DAPs. This is particularly impressive given that the Aryas are not a particularly bass-y set.

In terms of staging and separation overall, as I’ve already I think made clear, the Stack has imaging in spades- instrument separation and space between instruments across the FR is crystal clear. Stage width was a BIT narrower for the Stack vs my DAPs, OTOH. —about as deep as it is wide- literally like a small performance stage, and I am sitting in the front row. The preciseness of instrument or vocals location on that stage was crystal clear, with greater instrument distinctness than I noticed with my DAPs. Having said that, instrument separation was still great with R8 and N6ii- the Stack just dials it up a notch- again the most notable difference to me is in the details I can hear coming from A90D across the frequencies. If what you are looking for is massive deep/wide/tall soundstage, however, you probably should look elsewhere. Having said all that, the smoothness, musicality, and coherence I have always loved from the best of my DAPs (Hiby R8) is at least as good (better?)on A90D.

As an aside, while on the subject of soundstage, I did try different filters on D90SE to see if I could hear the difference. Difference between slow roll off linear and brick wall is noticeable. The former, however, seems to create some ringing between adjacent notes that I didn’t appreciate, so I have stuck with the fast roll off filters. I like the anodizing one best as it gets rid of any ringing or ‘reverb’ before the note strike, which seems more natural to me. The slow roll off filter does produce a more “tubey” sound and the impression of a wider soundstage, but overall I didn’t like what it did to the transients so gave it up and went back to the fast roll off filters.

Comparisons with ifi micro iDSD signature:

  1. Aryas - the Signature is an integrated portable DAC/Amp that uses a BurrBrown DAC chip and has the advantage of the 3D and XBass analogue switches (the latter is marvelous with the Aryas, and constitute an analogue bass shelf). In comparison to A90D, the mids are a bit warmer, smoother and more melodious but note definition is less crisp/detailed. Bass is essentially the same (especially with the XBass = ON). With 3D on, Signature does gain a bit on A90D in terms of stage size. Imaging is not as distinct though.
  2. U12T- on Signature without XBass or 3D, U12T has quite good slam and bass texture. Mids are quite forward in space, treble details are not so distinctly audible in the highest frequency (a bit rolled off, but note I have hearing loss above 10K so not hearing that upper shimmer the U12Ts are so famous for). Other elements of SQ about the same. Stage is intimate though imaging remains very clear and distinct. On A90D, bass texture and impact are clearer and stronger. Mids are closer in space to the listener, more crisp. Treble shines here- very clear, more details appreciable, at a higher frequency all the way up as far as I can hear, some that were not appreciated on the Signature at all, others that were barely discernable on Signature are much clearer… Stage is not as wide as the iFi Signature with 3D =on, but about the same depth- and height-wise, Imaging is clearer and more distinct, with more accurate instrument placement on the stage. This is a W shaped FR, not V shaped.

One important thing - this Stack is so smooth that is tempting to listen to it very loud- as there is no distortion or pain when doing so. I was getting up to over 80 on the Volume dial and it sounded = great! Be careful out there.

Conclusion- the A90D pairs wonderfully with D90SE across the FR, and can transmit detail and (with a bit of EQ) impressive impact and dynamism, and serve it up smooth as silk. Soundstage size is the one ‘fly in the ointment’ and (for my money) worth sacrificing for the rest of what I hearing, especially (as others have said) in terms of impactful bass, overall detail retrieval and clarity, and pinpoint imaging. Definitely good ‘bang for the buck’, and a keeper

Is it my “end game” amp? Not yet sure. I am curious how it will pair with Denafrips Pontus II, which I’m planning on ordering next month. I will need a Pre-amp between the 2 if I want to use my IEMs because DPII is a pure DAC so there is no volume control; but also because the balanced output impedance for DPII is 1250 ohms, and balanced input impedance on A90D is only 2000 ohms (the ideal ratio DAC:AMP is > 1/8) - so will probably pick up a Gustard P26 pre-amp which has input impedance 47K ohms (so plenty good ratio). OTOH I’m also considering picking up a Burson 3XP to use as a PowerAmp, which could do double duty as a pre-amp between the Pontus and A90D for speaker use, as it’s input impedance is 35K.

Finally there are a LOT more user impressions on HEAD-FI re: the A90D, which I won’t link here, you can Google it

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I have had the Topping A90D for a few weeks now, really enamoured with this piece of tech.

For reference I previously used a Gustard P26 preamp, with Burson V6 Vivid swappable opamps (over $1000 AUD price tag not including the opamps at $100 AUD each) and the THX 789 ($600 AUD price tag at height of 789 mania, arrived to me on December 2019).

This thing is a better preamp than the Gustard P26 and a much better amp than the 789.

Layered, open soundstage that envelops the head, balanced tonality from bass to highs, dynamic and punchy, all the microdetails I would want and was previously missing. The staging is a little closer to the head than the P26/789 but so much more detailed and dynamic. The P26 with Burson opamps is wide but flat and not engaging, missing some detail also.

Despite the smallish, around the head soundstage, using it as a preamp to my tube amp is so much better than the P26 to the OTL La Figaro 339!

Dynamic and punchy, sparkly treble and thick bass hits, Large, all around the head soundstage and I have so much room for volume on tap! No matter where the volume is on the A90D the sound is not affected - this is not the case with the P26 as the Burson opamps can be quite warm and roll off the treble. With the absolute control of volume I now have, I don’t have to push the tubes on my OTL amp as hard, reducing tube distortion / clipping and achieving a cleaner and much more detailed tube sound than with my previous preamp configuration.

I am currently using the A90D as a preamp to the OTL amp, at 77/99 on Low gain.

Being a logarithmic volume control, as a headphone amp the usable range is 48 to maybe 75/99, ranging from my Meze Rai Penta IEMs on the low end (4.4 balanced cable) to the HD800S (single ended cable). HEDDphone is on the way, but so is a balanced cable, so driving that is no longer a concern for this content audiophile!

Considering I paid $789 AUD (lol) for the Topping A90D, and… $1800 for the kitted out P26 / 789 combo, I can endorse the Topping A90D as it beats both of these at their own games! May be the last Topping product I get, I’m not a fan of their DACs coming from the D50 (using a Soekris 1421 DAC for a few years now) … but I really enjoy the A90D!

P.S - I also really like the ‘discrete’ design aesthetic of no levers / switches on the front, and the clean LED dots for volume level and input/output selection… very clean looking unit in my hi-fi rack…

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Hey everyone, happy new year. I have a Topping A90d that is just out of warranty and has the dreaded “-5” error code, and the amp is rendered useless. I’ve tried all of the troubleshooting tips I can find, upgraded firmware, etc, and nothing I do seems to get past this. I contacted my retailer, who just sent me to a generic repair centre. Has anyone people able to overcome this themselves? Many thanks in advance.

This happened to my first unit, local retailer advised me was due to a faulty XMOS chip. Within the week my retailer had sent my faulty unit off back to Topping and the store gave me a replacement unit. No issues with the replacement, been almost a year.

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I replaced my Schiit Modius with the Bifrost 2/64. Running this into the original Jotunheim balanced. Looking to replace the amp and was strongly considering the Jot 2. With shipping and silver finish I am at about $450.

I saw the A90 D, refurbed and certified on the APOS site for $399, All of the reviews I’ve read have been good and it has a lot of bells and whistles that the Jot doesnt have. Though my main deciding factor would be the sound.

Has anyone compared the two?

Thanks

Just pulled the trigger on the Topping A90D. APOS sent me an email offering it for $349 with free shipping. If i dont like it I’ll return it.

Error on my part. The A90D is $399. $349 is the original A90. Decided to keeep the A90 as I prefer switches as opposed to using a remote on mmy desktop.