Audeze CRBN - Electrostatic Headphone - Official Thread

Just received the Mjolnir KGSSHV today. The CRBN is already an expensive headphone, obviously, and I’ve read a lot of commentary that the barrier to entry is further elevated by the amp requirements. This may be true, regrettably. However, I can share today the the KGSSHV is up to the task and at significantly less cost than a Carbon or a BHSE. I cannot compare how different/better those flagships may be, but the comparison to the STAX amplifier is not really worth wasting words on IMO. Until hearing this combination I was ready to sell the CRBN, now I am listening to the only set up that I have personally heard that rivals the Raal SR1a.

I share this so others interested in the CRBN know that (at least to my ears) there is a “mid-level” tier of amplifier that does them justice. It is still expensive and I know it is silly to call a KGSSHV “mid-level” at nearly $3K, I mean this only in regards price in respect to other similar amps. The craftsmanship is incredible, the sound is astonishing.

This is a solid state amp, and it did make the CRBN ever so slightly “brighter” compared to what I heard from the STAX amp and the builder first recommended the tube version of this for that reason. I like the sound as I am coming from the insanely detailed Raal, so this sounds great to me.

Until today the CRBN didn’t hold a candle to the Raal and I thought I’d be selling them. Now they are keepers.

Read all that as a long winded endorsement of Mjolnir builds for the CRBN.

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In your opinion, compared to the SR1a, which one is better in each of these areas: timbre, resolution, sound stage, and impact/slam? Feel free to speak very generally.

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@BlueOceanBoy and his Blue Hawaii, perfect pairing.

I am not really good at putting these things into English, but I will try:

I have developed a tendency to perceive different headphones simply as different concert halls, it is the same music playing, but my perception of that same music becomes presented as if from a different seat and with different reflective/absorbing materials around the performers.

The Raal to me play back in a larger hall, especially noticeable with large scale orchestral recordings where there is a deeper sense of the space. I also feel that the Raal maintain instrument separation in large scale works more clearly.

The CRBN plays music back in a slightly smaller space, or perhaps seated nearer. I think some folks might call this more intimate. The positioning of instruments is less precise in a classical sense than the Raal which is very speaker like, the CRBN is more fantastical. The sound is all around in one’s mind. More as if on stage with the performers. It’s a lot of fun and very engaging this way. In this respect, I think the Raal is more “reference”.

Regarding Timbre, one of the single most important things in my listening, it varies. For solo piano, which makes up around 50% of all my listening, the Raal cannot be touched by any headphone I personally have heard, but the CRBN is my only e-stat so far. Please note, I specify “in my experience” which I admit is more limited. For piano Raal is brilliant. So is CRBN, but there is something slightly less natural in the decay. But, then there is voice, and here I have never heard better than the CRBN. With vocals, I can smell the garlic from the Caesar dressing the vocalist had before the session. I find myself breathing with the singer, I am edge of seat attentive to every subtle whisper. It is uncanny. I have heard STAX can do the same. I also prefer the CRBN for bowed instruments, such as viola da gamba which I listen to a lot. There is a warmth, depth, insane complexity of upper partials with the CRBN. The Raal, is also great for this (and any acoustic instrument) but again, it places you rows further back. For timbre, it is a toss up depending on what you prioritize. I am personally at a loss and may have to have both or live in regret for want of the other.

You asked about resolution. I cannot say, they are both detail monsters. They just present that detail as if from a different seat. On the balance, for this, I am (today) preferring the CRBN. With the CRBN, the detail is carried by something more substantive in sound. Meatier.

Impact/slam. Neither? Seriously, if this is a priority, I doubt either will suffice as the only headphone. With the Raal (with convolution filters) I hear the bass more clearly, but feel it less. With CRBN, there is a deeper rumble when it is in the music, I feel it more. Tracks where deep bass is an integral part of the over all intent (and not an exaggeration of one’s equipment or EQ), the CRBN is more satisfying to me. Until I pick up my Final Audio D8K and then I really feel it! I have not done any EQ yet on the CRBN, it may take a bass shelf. But if the music has an important pedal tone in the sub bass, the CRBN presents it, I think, more as intended. But, yes there is a but, it comes as more of a general bass sensation, whereas with the Raal, the specific frequency is heard IMO more accurately. Again, Raal is reference.

CRBN and SR1a are both at the very top level for my type of listening. I have no gun to my head, but given the diversity of music I listen to, if I had to choose just one I’d probably, this week, in this mood, go with the CRBN. Subject to change.

Lastly, although not often mentioned, but of critical importance to me as I age and take precautions agains worsening tinnitus, the CRBN present music in a “complete” way at very low listening levels. There is a balance to the sound that just satisfies at low level without a frequent urge to turn it up. I do not know what to call this or what objectively would contribute to that sensation.

Having said that, for anyone reluctant to jump into CRBN because of amplification, the SR1a with Jot R can be routinely found used for under $3K, less than just my Mjolnir amplifier. That makes the Raal a no brainer IMO, and the CRBN requires consideration. The SR1a is arguably the best value out there in reference level detail monsters. My opinion.

These are just 1st week impressions with the CRBN/Mjolnir. I am a novice and share this with hesitance, there will be a growing number of more informed opinions coming with CRBN. What I have written here is just this week’s installment in my own fast moving impressions. Don’t hold it against me or wonder WTF if I sell my CRBN next week!

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I think your description was informative, and you put it into English quite well!
Your language was precise to me, without flowery descriptions which I personally don’t find very informative.

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Hello Andrew,

is it possible to get the PEQ settings from you to match the Harman Target with the CRBN?
Would be great!

Thomas

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These are my currently EQ settings (FREQ/GAIN/Q).

105,5.5,0.71 (Low Shelf)
1250,-2.0,0.71
1800,3,0.71
3000,-3,1.4
5000,2,0.71
5800,-2,0.71
7000,4,0.71 (High Shelf)

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Watch his latest video…

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You mean “Limits of EQ…”?
BTW I’m back to stock tuning. Tested all the day and it sounds best as it is.

Could you please link said EQ settings video? I don’t know who “Andrew” is. Much appreciated in advance.

Very good timing. Headphone.com youtube vudeo for today was all about an intro to eq. Andrew is the presenter (also called resolve)

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Ok so I’ve done some listening with the CRBN now with the replacement pair, here are some very initial and subject to change over time impressions.

Initial impression is positive. The build quality is really good, very nice materials and overall feel, very impressed in this area. Pads are sumptuous and deep feeling, though the clamp is stronger than the other electrostats I have here. Not hard enough to be annoying though.

the overall sonic image is smaller than the Shangri-la Sr and similar the SR009S and 007mk2. Front to back (rather than the overall width, or height of the soundstage) feels quite a lot smaller and closed in. Width and height are both good though, decent overall depth. The sound is very sonically dense, not “floaty” or “ethereal.”

There is a bit much energy at 3khz for me, but bringing that down with a little bit EQ seems to be working well so far. Less bass than I thought there might be from impressions, but it seems to be of very high quality, especially for an Electrostat.

I think these might be a pair of headphones that impresses more long term rather than sounding initially epic but gets fatiguing over time.

In terms of difficulty to drive I think these might be more similar to the 007mk2 than the 009S or Shangrila Sr (with the SR009S being the easiest out of the four.)

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Are experiencing stax farts? Lol they flex pretty hard I hear. Also do you listen to them loudly? Some have said you gotta crank’em a bit.

Yeah there are stax farts if you break the seal, nothing compared to my first faulty pair though. I listen loudly at night, more quietly during the day. So far they seem similar at both volumes but I’ll look out for that today :slight_smile:

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So I’ve decided to sell my CRBNs sadly. They aren’t bad headphones by any means, but just ended up not being what I prefer overall sound wise. It’s a shame as they are so well built, and feel like such a high quality product, as well as being super comfy. I just can’t justify the cost as a once in a while listen, vs one of three or so headphones in daily-ish listening rotation. Would still recommend listening to them if you are interested in them, as they have a lot of strong points.

I’ll report back with my full review in a bit

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I really do understand. Hopefully you almost broke even with your sale of them. I’m gunning to either buy the D-8000’s or Dan Clark STEALTH’s.
This hobby is addictive and one expensive monkey. Lol.

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For those that have LCD-5 or CRBN headphones, and use Roon, the presets for these were added in the latest Roon 2.0 update.

They’re the same EQ profile as the individual convolution filter files Audeze provided a few months ago, but these are easier to use and you can use the “Customize” option to adjust how wet/dry they are.

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Hey guys, I’ll pop my review of the CRBN below :slight_smile: for anyone who is interested.

Introduction

Today we are taking a look at a very interesting headphone from Audeze. Now, the immediate assumption is that if a headphone is an Audeze, it’s a Planar Magnetic. In this case, however, The CRBN is an electrostatic pair of headphones, Audezes first foray into this product category. The CRBN, and more specifically their driver technology, is slightly different from traditional electrostatic headphones and is derived from a driver that Audeze made for use in MRI machines. This meant that no metal could be used within the driver’s makeup. Audeze has instead used carbon nanotubes throughout the driver (to provide conductivity as far as I understand) and as such, this is where the name CRBN comes from. Overall, whilst it’s a very neat concept, I’m more concerned about how an individual pair of headphones sounds, vs. being worried about the technologies used to create it. With that being said, I give Audeze a ton of credit for continuing to try and improve and innovate, and coming up with creative solutions for headphones.

Past History vs. Now

Now, I have a bit of a history with the CRBN itself. Both positive and negative. I’d recommend reading through the entire review, as the CRBN has seen a change over its lifetime, and this directly impacted my overall opinions about the product. I originally purchased a pair of CRBN a few months after their initial release, and they were delivered a few months later. That first pair was entirely broken, but no worries, headphones.com swapped it out for another unit they had in stock, which was great. This pair was entirely functional and what was to be expected from a CRBN at that point in time. The problem was that……it wasn’t really usable in an overall sense, at least not easily or as you would expect, even from a typical electrostatic headphone. Audeze made a statement that the drivers were tensioned slightly more loosely than other electrostatic headphones in order to provide a more full and robust bass response. The CRBN did have a slightly more robust low end, but in my opinion, it wasn’t that much more than neutral, and the trade-offs in terms of usability of the headphone were not worth the payoff in terms of low end.

The main problem was that due to the looser driver tension, the drivers would stick to the stators when listened to at a medium-high volume level or above, and distort. Now, due to the way the driver is made with the carbon nanotubes, no damage will occur from it sticking to the stators, but it will directly impact the sound and distort. Not good. In addition to that, any air pressure change inside the extremely well-sealed cups would cause the CRBN drivers to stick to the stators, and again distort. Again, due to the extremely good seal the CRBN pads provide, even slight head movements, could cause this to happen. I usually do my concentrated listening lying in bed at night, and any small movement of the headphones against the pillow would cause a loud driver flex noise, usually a loud cracking type of noise, and the driver would stick to the stators. Each and every time the driver of an electrostatic headphones sticks to the stators, you have to unplug the headphones, short the pins on your thumb or similar to de-charge the diaphragms and then plug them back in to go back to listening. With the CRBN in its original form, this was happening every couple of minutes or so. It was incredibly frustrating. Audeze has great customer support, but as the headphones were functioning within their expected performance at that point in time I ended up selling them to someone who could make better use of them, as they might listening differently than I do.

Over time, there were many similar reports to mine of people struggling with the same issues on various headphone forums, head-fi in particular. Around April of 2022, some rumours began circulating, that Audeze had made some changes to the CRBN and how their drivers perform. I was never able to receive direct confirmation from Audeze whether this had happened or not beyond a statement saying they had “streamlined the CRBN driver production.” Still, there were enough reports of it on Head-Fi, and users reporting that they had sent their headphones in to Audeze to be looked at, and received them back entirely absent of all the diaphragm sticking issues they had before, to make me curious. I ended up purchasing a pair of CRBNs that were a post-April 2022 manufacture date, to see if there was any validity to the claims of changes to the manufacturing of diagrams. My best guess is that slightly increased the tension of the diaphragm to avoid the issues of the early models.

Thankfully, the more recent pair of CRBNs had next to no issues. I managed to get the drivers to stick two times, once was with a fairly substantial bass boost at higher volumes, and another was due to a random head movement that cause the seal to break. Overall, the CRBN was now an entirely usable functional electrostatic headphone, it acted as my other electrostats did, and had no real issues in terms of overall usability. Audeze now seems to have companies list the CRBN as being the “2023 update.” Someone on head-fi confirmed that this was in reference to the driver changes that appear to have been made around April 2022. Again, I’m not operating off of direct knowledge here, just best-guess dates based on others’ experiences and interactions with Audeze. Overall, I would have no hesitation recommending someone try the CRBN now, with regards to production quality and overall usability of the drivers. Also, I know that if you do have an old model, made near the beginning of their production, if you send it in to Audeze they will update it to the most recent specifications. For anyone out there reading this, if you have a pair of early CRBN, and are struggling with this issue, I would highly recommend sending it in to Audeze. The update made them much more pleasurable to use.

Now, with all that backstory and information out of the way, the real question is how does the CRBN sound?

Tuning

The bass of the CRBN is certainly a slight improvement over some electrostatic headphones. In particular, the SR-009 comes to mind. Much more physicality to it, and a slight increase in terms of level. Still, I don’t want to give the impression the CRBN is a bass monster, because it isn’t. I always ran the CRBN with a 3db low shelve, as I always prefer a more robust bass response over the more neutral response from most electrostatic or planar magnetics. In some ways, the CRBN makes me think of planar magnetic bass, more than electrostatic bass. It is quick, fairly dynamic and hard-hitting, though not as much as something like the AB1266 from Abyss, or the HE6 from Hifiman. I think that part of the reason the CRBNs bass is as well done as it is due to the incredible seal achieved with the CRBNs pads. They are without a doubt the best sealing electrostatics I have experienced, and this might contribute to that real physical feeling from the low end.

The mids of the carbon are hit-and-miss for me. In the low and middle midrange, I’d say that the CRBN are pretty much dead on neutral. No real warmth in the low mids, and definitely no suck out in the middle. My issue is with the upper mids of the CRBN, and it is my overall biggest gripe with their stock tuning. The 3khz peak. It is way too forward for me personally. Gives everything a shout and bite to it that I just can’t get on with. Some people enjoy this forward nature in this area, but for me, it just makes things tough to listen to. Thankfully, EQ resolved the issue entirely for me and took the CRBN from a headphone I couldn’t really enjoy, to one that had a ton of good things going for it. I would highly recommend trying the CRBN prior to purchasing them if you can, and if not, be open to giving EQ’ing them a try. It made all the difference for me.

The highs of the carbon are what I would consider very slightly less than neutral. Not enough to consider them a dark headphone, but they are not bright or strident headphones. Again, I ended up boosting the highs entirely with a high shelve by about 2 dB, and that brought them into my personal preference range very nicely. In some ways, the highs in their stock tuning remind me of the HD600/650. If you tend to prefer a bit more air and sparkle from your headphones, I would again recommend trying the CRBN prior to purchase or be open to trying out EQ. Again, this was an area that after a little tweaking via EQ, took the CRBN from a bit of a “not for me” to a “this is actually really, really good” headphone.

Technical Performance

In terms of technical performance, the CRBN is clearly high-end. I don’t think they reach the sonic heights that the Stax X9000 and Hifiman Shangri-la Sr. reach, but comparing them to other headphones in their price range, I think they stack up well. Overall detail levels remind me of the LCD-4 (I have not heard the LCD-5 yet) and the CRBN always seemed to do better with the “macro” than the “micro” both in terms of detail and dynamics. Again, this sort of reminds me of the characteristics of some planar magnetic headphones and contributes to my feeling that the CRBN is the most planar magnetic sounding electrostatic headphone on the market. The soundstage of the CRBN is very tall, perhaps due to the driver shape, and what I would describe as very slightly wide. It is not a large open soundstage like the X9000 or Shangri-la, but also not a very close up and front-row type of soundstage like the Focal Utopia. The CRBN has a good amount of punch and slam to it, but I would describe it as similar to the LCD-4 in this way, and not as hard and fast in terms of slam as the HE6 from Hifiman or 1266TC from Abyss.

Build Quality

The build quality of the CRBN is next level. Really, and I don’t say this lightly, I think the CRBN is the best-built headphone I’ve come across so far. It just exudes class and quality. It feels incredibly solid and well put together, the pads are deep and sumptuous. Comfort levels are very good, and the clamp force is just enough to provide their great seal, but not too much to be uncomfortable. Overall the CRBN gets an A+ from me in this area. Really well done Audeze.

The CRBN is slightly difficult to drive in terms of electrostatic headphones. You will be well rewarded for providing them with an amplifier that can provide good, and consistent power. Things like the Headamp BHSE, Eksonic T2, KGSSHV Carbon are all good options. I think at the least I would recommend a KGSSHV for the CRBN (or similar.)

Comparisons

Compared to the headphone it is directly competing with, the Stax SR009S, the Audeze strikes an entirely different sonic signature. The Stax sounds like an electrostatic headphone and does all those typical traits very well. The CRBN has a better more robust low end and does not have the typical electrostatic air and sparkle in the high end. After a bit of tweaking via EQ, I think the CRBN would be my overall preference between these two headphones.

Compared to the LCD-4, the CRBN is similar in some ways but very different in others. The LCD-4 has “old Audeze” tuning, and the CRBN has “new Audeze” tuning if you will. The LCD-4 is much more laid back and relaxed, it is a warm hug of a headphone compared to the CRBN in its stock tuning. I think the CRBN wins in terms of overall detail levels and technical performance, but the LCD-4 is the right choice for someone who wants a laid-back listen that remains well detailed. I would be really curious to see Audeze continue to develop on the electrostatic side and perhaps do a CRBN Classic, which is tuned like the classic Audeze models. I think that might sell very well for them. Only time will tell if the market wants that product I suppose.

Conclusion

Overall, the Audeze CRBN has been a bit of a saga for me. It didn’t really start out all that well, but Audeze has put the CRBN right and really has a good headphone on their hands now. Though the stock tuning isn’t personally for me, with some tweaking with EQ, the CRBN becomes an immensely enjoyable headphone to listen to. It is also the best built and high-quality feeling headphone I have come across so far, whilst remaining very comfortable for longer listening sessions. Nowadays, I can definitely recommend the CRBN if you either enjoy a mostly neutral tuning with forward upper mids. Also, if you are willing to EQ to your preference, the CRBN takes well to it, whilst retaining very good overall technical performance. The CRBN had a rocky start, but I definitely would recommend it these days, if you take into account the aforementioned points about tuning and personal preferences.

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This was an exceptional review, thanks @ufospls2. I never realized it had that history behind it. I’ve only heard the CRBN at an audio show where getting a feel for technical performance is tricky. But from what I can remember, I’m in full alignment of your assessment on the midrange and treble. This “new Audeze” sound is pretty interesting… an almost overbearing focus around the 3 kHz peak and a “dark but not actually” treble. I also heard it on the LCD-5 I tried and the MM-500 I’m reviewing at the moment.

I’m glad the CRBN finally worked out for you though! I think estats is like owning a yacht in audio. It’s super duper cool but there are so many hassles that can come up lol.

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