Best Poor Man Set Up

You can get plenty of power from cheap tube amps (e.g., Bravo Audio V2) in the $50 to $75 range (and optionally add a $33 XtremePro). However, cheap tube amps tend to distort and the details/imaging are relatively cloudy versus more expensive products.

Some of the new Bluetooth devices that are coming out are good enough now that with a half-decent pair of IEMs it might be all you need. There was one I reviewed, the Bluewave Get, and another on Head-Fi that probably uses the same OEM chipset which had some good comments as well.

Iā€™m not sure about <$200 yet, but some Bluetooth headphones not far above that are getting good enough to be all you need, if you have a smart phone or computer with APTx.

HD580 used, $100-$120 and a FX Audio DacX6, $65 (I think)

Iā€™m actually really curious about the Campfire Comet at $199. Seems like a well priced way of trying their line-up.

Dragonfly Black is a pretty good portable amp/dac. I remember when I used to have the O2/Modi 2 combo and I honestly couldnā€™t tell the difference between that and DFB.

My suggestion is to get a SR225e ($200) and mod it: dynamat in the cups, sorbothane on the back of the driver, change the ear pads to G-pads and if you want a bit more bass open up one additional vent. SR225e is easy to drive and doesnā€™t require an amp/DAC.

G-Pads? What is them things? Canā€™t Googlize it.

For a closed setup, the Beyerdynamic DT150. Similar to the HD650 with a little more treble sparkle and without the added warmth, which gives it the most natural sound signature of any <$600 can Iā€™ve heard. Also the only Beyer Iā€™ve heard without the infamous sibilance up top.

They can be found for $100-150 used pretty easily as theyā€™re popular in broadcast settings. Arenā€™t super amp/dac picky either, so anything that can power them should be fine.

When dealing with Grado headphones there are 3 different pads used depending on the model
SR60e, SR80e, SR125e use S-pads or flats
SR225e, SR325e, RS2e, RS1e, GH-1, GH-2, PS500e use L-pads or some call them bowls (its what they look like)
PS1000e, GS1000e, PS2000e, GS2000e use G-pads or some call them donuts since its what they look like)
Hereā€™s a picture of the 3 types (note that these are all generic ones, Grado L and G pads are made of different layers of foam while most generic ones use only one type of foam)
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I nodded my SR60ā€™s with Sennheiser replacement pads. It made them more comfortable for long sessions.

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Always on the lookout for inexpensive (not cheap) audio enhancements, I found this on Amazon:
Syba SD-DAC63094 USB 2.0 24 bit 96KHz DAC and Headphone Amplifier

Inexpensive or just cheap?

I have its more expensive cousin at $48 (got it for around $35), and liked it for quite a while. Itā€™s a very serviceable standalone unit if you want to just bypass onboard audio. The mic input and bass boost are especially good for gaming.

But once I added a dedicated amp (the Massdrop CTH), it didnā€™t sound that great using the L-R out in the back. My phone -> MCTH sounded better and much cleaner. You wonā€™t get super amazing sound out of this, but itā€™s still a very good unit for its price. I donā€™t have mine plugged in right now but thatā€™s because I donā€™t play any games where I have to talk to someone.

I have no experience with that item, but can personally vouch for this $33 USB DAC/AMP:

https://www.xtrem-pro.com/product-page/xtrempro-x1-usb-dac-headphone-amplifier

I believe it has the same ESS Sabre chip as the original (discontinued) Dragonfly. This is a clear improvement over my notebook, phone, and iPod Touch onboard output. However, the top end is subdued and the low end is boosted.

-John

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I have to say Iā€™m with @DavidA Iā€™ve got an SR 225 that has some lite mods and itā€™s pretty stellar! Just straight from a cell phone is all that I need for it

Though I think my ultimate Under $200 set up would feature a Behringer UCA 202 $30 one of those little Chinnese Hybrid Tube Designs for no more than $70 [or a Gen 1 Schiit Vali if u can find it still OR a Starving Student Hybrid if you can Build it] and either a Grado SR 80 or something like a Second Hand AKG K702 or DT 990 both of which are often right around $100 used

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I could easily do a k612 and pixel dongle as a poor man setup.

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Iā€™ll second the notion that if you donā€™t need an external DAC, donā€™t get it. I used to have a Dragonfly Black and I donā€™t think it sounds any better than an iPhoneā€™s built-in output unless you happen to need a little extra power.

I like this way of thinking! I feel almost dirty for suggesting it, but for a fun kind of sound signature, some cheap Chi-Fi like a KZ ZST can be very satisfying. Is it going to ā€œintimidateā€ $500 headphones or earphones? Probably not, but if the goal is cheap and poor, who cares?

On a related note, I get the impression that itā€™s significantly easier to make cheap, good sounding IEMs than it is to do the same with full-size headphones. I would guess that managing resonances is easier at that scale and without the outer ear to contend with, but Iā€™m squarely in guessing territory here.

Ditto. The fewer components in your chain, the better.

The Vali 1 + Senn 600 is astounding. This pairing sounds like youā€™re in the club, walking through the patrons and are physically able to touch everyone and sense everything. It sounds like youā€™re right in front of the artist and can sense and hear everything as if they physically exist. I donā€™t know how else to describe it. Itā€™s so palpable and physical sounding. If music was a painting, youā€™re IN the painting.

I originally sold my Vali 1 to fund a Vali 2 and ended up regretting the sale. I wound up finding another Vali 1 on the market and snagged it.

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Koss Porta pros or ksc75.
Airpod pros offer solid sound for what they are, and very convenient imo.

Cheap (xDuoo MT-602) & cheap (Koss KSC75), or cheap (Tin Hifi T2) :clap:

Because of their symbiosis, they can sound veeeery good together.

Perfect? Of course not!

But frankly satisfying :dancer: :man_dancing:

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