I’ve also got the RHA TrueConnect 2, and I think the sound is great for a TWS. Microphone works well for phone calls. RHA puts these on sale pretty often, too. I’ve got the blue, which is dark but still a nice break from all the black and gray gear I have lying around!
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Honestly, I wasn’t a big fan of the FD5. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the accessories and presentation, but when it came to actual sound, I just didn’t find it to be as agreeable. The tonality is more V-shaped, and the regions it emphasizes - particularly in the upper-midrange and the lower treble - make it sound about as metallic as it looks. I tried playing around with a bunch of the tips too, but I couldn’t find one that would neuter it.
Are there any specific qualities that you’re looking for to your sound? That would help a lot if you’re looking for a recommendation!
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Thanks, hard to say. I like a lot of headphones, I’m not sensitive to highs and prefer som extra low end warmth when not criticicaly listening.
Prefer LCD Series over hifiman Arya. Also prefer T1s over hifiman Arya and Sundara. Any other headphones I’m really fond of is the old Mr speakers Alpha Dog and mad Dogs.
As for iems I’ve tried, The Tin t2 is not my cup of tea(feels metallic in the sound might be due to big nozzle and bad fit). Etymotic er2xr and er4xr I really like, but could have had a little more low end. Had some fun Klipsch X12 a while back that was kinda good, due to so small ear canal I have mostly prefered going the headphone route. Its just not very practical when working and sweating etc.
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Ooof yeah, that complicates things if you’re going to be using it on a construction site. If you want more low end than the ER2XR/ER4XR, the B2:Dusk is pretty good and around the same price as the FD5. Maybe even consider TWS! As much as it sucks to sacrifice some SQ, the convenience is hard to beat if you’re constantly moving around.
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Was there a price range? I second b2:dusk if that is the range.
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The Kilobuck IEM Shootout - What’s The Best IEM $1000 Can Buy?
I. Introduction
Diminishing returns is one of the most real - and perhaps antagonizing - phenomena in the portable audio hobby. You’re going to have to drop the big bucks to squeeze out that last 5-10% in fidelity, and this certainly isn’t helped by the steady price creep we’ve seen in the last couple years. Flagships IEMs are regularly pushing upwards of $3000; heck, I’ve even seen some $6000 IEMs! I don’t know about you, but that is insane.
So perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising that the sweet spot for price-to-performance, at least in this reviewer’s opinion, is much lower. In fact, it’s right at around $1000, a kilobuck, that diminishing returns start kicking in most to my ears. Yes, I’m sure one could make a case that it’s much lower; to be clear, this is my opinion only! So here are your competitors, the venerable kilobuck gatekeepers:
Again, I’m sure there’s a litany of other IEMs that one might consider worthy of the “kilobuck gatekeeper” title. These are just the IEMs that come up in discussion most often and that have established a reputation for themselves. And you know, the ones that I also happened to have on hand (hey, I’m just being honest). By the end of this shootout, hopefully you’ll be able to decide which one is for you; additionally, I’ll have something I can direct people to when I’m inevitably asked to compare these IEMs next.
II. Source & Drivability
Listening was done off of a variety of sources including an iBasso DX160, A&K SP1000M, and iFi micro iDSD Black Label. I used lossless FLAC files and these IEM’s respective stock cables and tips (sans Spinfit CP145 with the Andro 2020). You shouldn’t have any trouble driving these IEMs; in particular, the Andro 2020 is quite sensitive. You might consider picking up something like the iFi IEMatch to kill any annoying hissing. But if you don’t want to drop the big bucks, the Apple USB-C dongle actually works exceptionally and lowers the noise floor more than any other source (minus the Black Label) that I used.
III. The Tangibles
Sony IER-M9: Normally, I’m not one to care about presentation too much because at the end of the day, let’s be honest: After I pry out my shiny toy, the packaging is going straight to my closet to collect dust. But Sony has outdone themselves here and, as such, I think praise is warranted. The IER-M9 includes a plethora of accessories from separate 3.5/4.4mm cables, a wide assortment of tips, and a carrying case. This is how you do an unboxing experience. The IER-M9 is very lightweight thanks to its magnesium housing and carbon fiber faceplates which add a touch of flair. Like most of Sony’s products, it inspires a sense of ruggedness and reliability.
Campfire Andro 2020: The Andro 2020 arrives in Campfire’s signature candy-box-like packaging. Despite the much smaller packaging, you’re also going to get an endless assortment of goodies here: silicon/foam eartips, several mesh baggies, a CA branded pin, and a taco-shaped, zipper case. The Andro 2020 features Campfire’s angular design for their BA IEMs complete with emerald green anodization. If you regularly browse the forums, then you’re probably no stranger to pictures of well-used Andromedas; these IEMs will scratch over time. Fit is not an issue for me despite the more chiselled design, although your mileage might vary.
Hidition Viento: Now the Hidition Viento. Getting one’s hands on the Hidition IEMs is notoriously difficult in the USA because the company is based out of South Korea and there is a massive language barrier. My own Viento-B was proxied by a good Discord friend (shoutout to KW405!), and although I believe it came with all the original accessories, what I received should not necessarily be considered representative. Something pretty cool is that Hidition includes an FR graph of your unit with verification of channel matching. I do find the shell of the Viento somewhat uncomfortable; the nozzle is extremely long in an effort to mimic the CIEM’s fit as closely as possible.
Moondrop S8: If you’re a fan of anime, then you’ll be pleased to know that the S8 arrives in packaging that sports one of Moondrop’s (in)famous waifus. As the cheapest IEM in this shootout, the included accessories are somewhat more tame: a zipper case, an assortment of silicon tips, and an airline adapter. But with a highly aesthetically pleasing faceplate and stellar craftsmanship, the S8 makes up for it where it really counts. The build simply screams the essence of “moondrop” captured in an IEM. Fit on the S8 is exceptional too, although be aware that it’s not a vented IEM, so pressure may build-up over time.
IV. Tonality
All frequency responses are measured off of the IEC-711 coupler. There is a resonance peak at roughly 8kHz and the coupler itself is certified up until 10kHz. As such, measurements after this resonance peak should not be considered entirely accurate.
Campfire Andro 2020: The Andro 2020 follows a neutral-warm tuning. I’ve noted this before, but it has a “let’s just hang out and chill vibe” that’s incredibly inviting. Whereas many IEMs hitting the market these days are pursuing academic target curves - which tend to lean more “referency” - the Andro 2020 strikes a sweet spot: A more laidback tuning with broad listener appeal that doesn’t sacrifice engagement factor. The Andro 2020 has a very relaxed midrange tuning thanks to its gentle, 2kHz ear compensation and dipped upper-midrange from 3-4kHz. Contrasted to the thicker, more weighty lower-midrange from 200-500hZ, this does lend to slight tonal disconnect. Treble on the Andro 2020 has a slight mid-treble tilt with pleasing amounts of sparkle (although not to the extent of its predecessors) and excellent extension. Indeed, this might be one of the most well-extended IEMs that I’ve heard.
Hidition Viento-B: While the Viento-B is foremost a reference tuned IEM, it’s basically what’d you get if you took the venerable Etymotic ER4XR and stacked on some more sub-bass and treble. Bass is tastefully boosted, curving out by 200hZ, nice and clean. The midrange of the Viento is quite lean throughout the lower-midrange and exhibits a strong tilt towards the upper-midrange frequencies. Perhaps too much of a tilt, in fact, and I frequently hear traces of sibilance. Treble on the Viento is strongly mid-treble emphasized with almost overbearing amounts of resonance - ring - to the way instruments decay. Unfortunately, as beautifully as the Viento-B graphs on paper, paper is not practice. I write true to what I hear: Notes are too thin for my preferences, too frequently sibilant.
Moondrop S8: This is one of those academic target hitters I was talking about. But while the S8 adheres to the Harman target, there are small deviations here and there that I think make it just that much more pleasant to listen to. Bass is nigh-identical to the Viento-B with the sub-bass oriented curve. The midrange of the S8 is similarly lean in the lower-midrange, but kills some of the emphasis at 3-4kHz. What this results in, to my ears, is a balanced, leaner midrange that plays terrifically with female vocals. The S8 also eschews the Harman target’s notorious roll-off in the post-10kHz frequencies. I hear sufficient amounts of stick impact followed by an upward skew of sorts to the air frequencies; this is the entry-point for good treble extension to my ears.
Sony IER-M9: Ironically, if there’s any IEM on this list that harkens to sitting around the campfire, it’s the IER-M9. The IER-M9 is easily the warmest IEM in this shootout with its bass shelf sporting good amounts of both sub-bass and mid-bass. For whatever reason, it does sound slightly mid-bass leaning - with an emphasis on boom - to my ears despite what the graph might imply. Note weight is relatively thick moving throughout the midrange; consequently, this is the safest kilobuck IEM in terms of midrange tuning. Treble on the IER-M9 sports a lower-treble suckout followed by good amounts of mid-treble and excellent extension thanks to its BA supertweeter. So more closely, you’re going to hear a lot more crash, fizzle, and zing with the IER-M9 than you will the initial impact of percussive instruments. However, it is not fatiguing at all to my ears in this respect.
Tonality
1 Sony IER-M9
2 Moondrop S8
3 Campfire Andro 2020
4 Hidition Viento-B
V. Technical Performance
Ah yes, here’s where things get real fun. Make no mistake that these are all very well-tuned IEMs. Still, you can have the most well-tuned IEM in the world, but it doesn’t mean much if you can’t imbue your IEM with the fickle, ever-elusive intangibles. This is a reference to characteristics of sound outside of measurable frequency response, or characteristics that we don’t know how to interpret from existing measurements yet.
Imaging
Unfortunately, the vast majority of IEMs do not have good imaging to my ears. I think it’s also important to lend some context to how I qualify imaging. Imaging, at least for me, is indicative of the extent to which an IEM is able to shape the “walls” of the room, or stage, around the listener. So by extension, soundstage is a derivative of imaging, and they are not distinct. Positional accuracy, likewise, is another subset of imaging.
Let’s talk about the IER-M9 and the Andro 2020. Both are IEMs that I would consider to be truly holographic, the oft-misused word that is qualified by image incision. To this end, these IEMs have a quality with which instruments “float” on the soundstage; I suspect that this is in part due to their excellent upper-harmonic extension. But when it comes to actual image diffusal, or soundstage size, I find the Andro 2020 to take a notable lead. It has the advantage of a 3-4kHz dip in the upper-midrange. This imparts a sense of center image distinction - soundstage depth - with which the IER-M9 lacks to my ears. For a sense of layering, or space between instruments, the Andro 2020 also seats itself in best-in-class territory. When it comes to sheer accuracy, however, the IER-M9 is more sound and sports extremely well-defined positional cues.
On the other hand, the S8 and Viento-B are a whole lot more average in the imaging department. Neither of them has the aforementioned incision to their imaging to qualify mention of the “holographic” buzzword. Where these IEMs excel most, then, is in their positional accuracy and layering chops. Of course, this is not to say that these IEMs exhibit copious amounts of pseudo-air between delinations, but rather that instruments, again, have segmented “pockets” on the stage.
Imaging
1 Campfire Andro 2020
2 Sony IER-M9
3 Moondrop S8
4 Hidition Viento-B
Dynamics
Some context is warranted here again, I think. Dynamics are largely a reference to the intangibles of transient attack, or what some might call the leading edge of a note. The Andro 2020, S8, and Viento-B exhibit the snappy transient attack that is distinctive of most BA IEMs. By contrast, the IER-M9 seems more mellow on this front. Furthermore, on Aimer’s “Hakuchuumu” for example, there is a distinct lack of intensity to the dynamic swings at 1:03, 2:45, and 3:50. These shifts should be slamming you.
Of course, this ties into macrodynamics and microdynamics which are really quite different. These terms are indicative of how an IEM scales the decibel peaks and valleys that are present in a given recording. Macrodynamics are dynamic swings on a grander scale: quiet-to-loud transitions and build-ups. Think of riding a roller-coaster. You want to move quickly, but you also want to hit all those build-ups, peaks, and free-falls, or the fun is lost. Microdynamics, as the name might suggest, are shifts on a more intimate level: vocal inflections, the nuance of a piano key being hit, the amplitude of a cymbal hit.
As I alluded to above, macrodynamics are not the IER-M9’s strong suit; it has a tendency to scale these swings somewhere in the middle to my ears. I think these are also both weak fronts of the Andro 2020. Even off of a source like the iFi iDSD Black Label (in an effort to kill noise floor which I’d wager goes hand-in-hand with microdynamics), transient attack seemed to take on something of an upwards compression, particularly in the midrange. As a whole, at least to my ears, I would not consider any of these IEMs to be particularly exceptional on the macrodynamic front. Perhaps it might be surprising to note that the Viento-B has the best microdynamic contrast to my ears.
Dynamics
1 Hidition Viento-B
2 Moondrop S8
3 Sony IER-M9
4 Campfire Andro 2020
Timbre
Within the context of IEMs and their technical performance, timbre is most closely a reference to the pattern of decay. This is especially relevant when talking about BA (balanced armature) IEMs because BAs have a tendency to decay on the quicker side - at least faster than their dynamic driver counterparts - lending to egregious transient overlap. This phenomenon, and the weightlessness that ensues, is often dubbed “BA timbre” or “grain”.
To this end, the Viento-B is decidedly the “dirtiest” of its brethren and sports good amounts of grain. But with some caveats, I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing. Grain goes hand-in-hand with note texture; I would argue that said texture flies very nicely alongside the leaner lower-midrange, lending to the aforementioned micro-contrast. I do, however, find this quality unnatural when it comes to songs that token the upper-midrange more closely. Generally, I am looking for a smoother timbre in these instances.
The Andro 2020 and S8 sport cleaner decay; they mostly suffer on the front of note weightlessness or what some might refer to as plasticky-ness. This is most apparent within the context of their bass responses. Neither slams particularly hard nor is adequate decay present. So, yeah: You might want to look elsewhere if you’re going to be listening to a lot of EDM. The Viento-B falls into this same category for the most part, although I want to say it’s a tad tighter, more defined to the way it slams.
But the real shocker: The IER-M9 might just be the cleanest BA IEM that I have heard. Decay is just, well, clean, so much so that I could see a less familiar listener mistaking the IER-M9 for a DD IEM. The bass on the IER-M9 is equally commendable, and this is coming from someone who holds that the vast majority of BA bass responses are mediocre. There’s a slight bloat due to the mid-bass emphasis; however, the IER-M9 is leagues ahead of these other IEMs - and most BA IEMs I’ve heard - in this department.
Timbre
1 Sony IER-M9
2 Campfire Andro 2020
3 Moondrop S8
4 Hidition Viento-B
VI. The Subjective
As if something like audio could get any more subjective, right? Nonetheless, I’ve done my best to keep subjective preference out of the way thus far. So now, to be blunt: I don’t actually like the IER-M9 or the Viento-B very much. I can already hear the cries of outrage, and trust me, you’re not alone. Many close audio buddies have likewise opined me crazy; all the more so considering these are the de-facto IEM recommendations in the circles I regularly hang in. But hear me out.
First, the IER-M9. It sounded really good when I first heard it, like “straight to the top of my tier list” good. It sounded pretty good the second time I heard it. Then I spent an entire week with it, and my enjoyment was diminished to “it’s the IER-M9”. You see, the thing about the IER-M9 is that it’s just so safe. From tuning to intangibles, it’s unmistakably the most well-rounded, best kilobuck IEM that money can buy. But it’s also the most boring by a long shot. Boring to the point of which I found myself scrutinizing it, trying to find any and every reason to dislike it (and you read about that here). Funny how things play out like that, right? An IEM so good it’s frustrating.
On the other hand, my issues with the Viento-B are most likely the product of fit. The Viento’s elongated stem is intended to mimic the custom’s deep insert, inherently favoring listeners blessed with “blackhole” ears. Much to my chagrin, I do not have said ears, and the end result, again, is an overly bright and sibilant presentation. Oh yeah, if you want to buy the CIEM version, well, good luck: Better hope you speak Korean or have a proxy; you’re also going to be paying a premium.
Now, back to the Andro 2020 and the S8. They’re not perfect, not by a long shot. But looking past their decidedly poor dynamics and weightless notes, they really do sound like they have that special sauce. Special sauce, mind you, that’s probably not attributable to much more than this reviewer’s subjective preferences. Is it the Andro 2020’s stellar imaging aided by its 3-4kHz upper-midrange recession; the way it sieves through the chorus of Taeyeon’s “Fine” and presents the vocal overdubs with that slight shimmer and oh-so-much air between them? The way the S8 foils so neatly to the Andro 2020’s dipped upper-midrange? Or god forbid, the waifu art skewing my assessment? I don’t know. I just really like what these IEMs do, and I can’t get them out of my ears.
Perhaps this is a testament, then, to the nature of diminishing returns. When you’re deciding amongst IEMs that many would already consider to be top-performers, listener preference becomes all the more paramount.
The Bias Scale
1 Campfire Andro 2020
2 Moondrop S8
3 Sony IER-M9
4 Hidition Viento-B
VII. The Verdict
If you’ve made it this far and are completely lost, then this section is also for you. In the interest of keeping this simple, here’s the TL;DR:
- Tragically, much to my personal ire, the IER-M9 remains the best IEM for a kilobuck on paper. It runs circles around these other IEMs in the bass and timbre departments. So can’t decide? This is the IEM I’d take a look at.
- Looking for the best bang-for-your-buck and listening to a lot of female vocals? Or just looking for weeb tuning? Then you’re going to want the S8.
- Those who enjoy a slightly warm, north-of-neutral tuning and want the most holographic imaging will gravitate towards the Andro 2020. It’s the IEM you hand, by default, to someone who has no idea what good sound is because you want to knock their socks off.
- Avoid buying the Viento-B unless you’ve won the genetic lottery and have chad blackhole ears. That, or make sure you’re buying the CIEM version.
Ultimately, for my plethora jibes and tongue-in-cheek, make no mistake that these are IEMs that I have massive appreciation for. It’s natural to assume that something more expensive is inherently better. But unfortunately, while there may indeed exist a correlation, this is simply not true. IEM prices have soared to the point of which kilobuck IEMs have been relegated to the “mid-fi” bracket. That’s a shame, really it is, because I’d take the likes of the IER-M9 or the Andro 2020 over a lot of the multi kilobuck stuff that I’ve heard. And while none of these kilobuck IEMs are quite top-tier IEMs, I could see many listeners happily dying upon any of these hills.
Cumulative Breakdown
1 Sony IER-M9
2 Campfire Andro 2020
3 Moondrop S8
4 Hidition Viento-B
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This is awesome! I am looking for something to compliment my Dunu Zen and all 4 of these were on a short list of IEMs to look at. Thanks!
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Epic, simply EPIC! Hurrah
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Would have loved to try the B2 Disk they sounds lovely from the reviews, but they have some of the biggest nozzles out there.
I’m larger in size than the average, also got a big hat size. But when it comes to my ears they have the smallest entrance ever, been so envy of all the good iems out there. Biggest type of nozzle I can use without pain is the 3mm ones, tried spinfit and many other tips even.
I might be weird but I prefer actually the cable behind the neck over true wireless, then I can take the iems out and let them hang while talking to others. Might just give that RHA a try, was very cheap also👍
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I absolutely love your comparison piece @Precogvision. Really great stuff.
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Anyone know which IEM brand and model Harry Styles used during the performance last night at the Grammys?
Also, maybe someone has a list of the performers and IEM’s they use?
Amazing comparison. Loved it, thanks! 
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I want to be Harry Styles. Simulation Grand Simulator, if you are listening, switch me with Harry Styles. Thanks in advance!
Best review in a long time, by anyone!
Owning the S8 makes it easier to understand the comparisons and wanting the Andro, makes it hard to see the Sony takes the #1 spot.
Do more like this please.
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Have you tried xelastec tips? I ask because I can use any of the six sizes on the Zen or the Dusk. It changes the insertion depth. The large ones sit pretty much outside the ear canal for me.
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Thanks I’ll try them out in small package of 3 sizes, if it works on my old Yamaha iems or some of chi fi ones I can step up and try some of the sub 500$ ones. Been so much that has comes out on the iem front the last 10 years
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Let me know how it goes!
Absolutely fantastic! I will echo @Gordon_Freeman - the main character from my (still) favorite FPS game - and say this: do more like this please.
Just as @Dynamic, I too am shopping in this price bracket and am leaning Moondrop S8 or the Sony IER-M9. For reference, I thought the Dunu SA6 was a little boring but am tickled by the Moondrop B2 (non-dusk); my only gripe with the B2 is that it lacks some bass quantity and texture and could benefit from more high frequency air. Is the bass performance on the S8 a significant improvement over the B2 that it’s worth getting, or should I just go with the IER-M9 to satisfy those needs and to contrast the B2?
Thanks in advance, and please, don’t stop what you’re doing!
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I want to chime in on the the S8/B2 bass. I have only heard the B2 Dusk, and my understanding is that is a step up over B2 (in emphasis if not in texture). But, everything I have read about the S8 puts it as not competitive in bass texture (when compared to anything with a DD).
The Zen would satisfy the bass, but maybe not your desired airy quality. Not sure you can have it all in this price range. I would love to hear an S8 for myself, but I suspect Monarch and Clairvoyance are better options if you want a “do it all” IEM.
Again, I have only heard the B2 Dusk and the Zen. The others are from copious amounts of reading reviews. So truck loads of salt.
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I got the S8 and the B2 Dusk and if bass is your thing, then go for the Dusk out of the 3. It is a great IEM for the price and it is worth the price. The S8 is a better IEM, but the one area where it is not on the top of the game is bass.
8 BA drivers are not punchy enough to make it up for lack of a DD driver. But the mids are fantastic and the S8 is truely worth to look into in the bracket between the B2 and $1K IEM’s.
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