Sorry what was your question?
One thing that hasn’t been talked about is the influence of the listener’s age on upper treble frequencies. As we age, we lose the ability to hear those frequencies as strongly, and Chrono is a younger guy who is likely to be more sensitive to those frequencies than someone a bit older might be.
Damnit Chrono! GET OFF MY LAWN!
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No it is not the same headphone that I or @Resolve had… nor was the one I had the same as @Resolve had… also to note… Planar magnetic headphones seem to have a lot of unit variation… I’m no scientist but, that is just something I’ve observed in my time in the hobby… I mean people had “unicorn” LCD-2s for crying out loud lol… how much that plays into this I don’t know… I’ll get the ones @Chrono has and do an impression of them before sending them onto another reviewer… then like I said try and get a community tour going for it maybe =)
thank you for taking my content as intended =) Also, I do love scotch! but, I’ve just been on a bourbon and rye kick the last year or so ha! I think my next bottle will be a scotch… I have my eye on a solera aged scotch =) Though one of my all-time favorites is that doublewood!!! I actually prefer the Sherry oak-aged version over the rum barrel-aged one… which is odd for me 
Yup, thanks for posting this. The one I reviewed/measured was a different unit. But my impressions do line up with Chrono’s and Tyler’s.
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True. This may be compounded by the Empy’s innovative and more intricate isodynamic hybrid array driver. Risk reward.
Agree!..
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Did u answer this question or did i miss it???
Depends what it is we’re evaluating. For ‘detail’, no - at least I haven’t found it yet. At the moment I suspect that it is captured by unsmoothed frequency response, or the behaviour found in it, but the difficulty is in correlating that in the analysis. But there are some experimental measurements for other aspects like soundstage.
In general though I base my assessment off of comparisons to other headphones in and around the same price. So for me, it’s a subjective take that’s anchored to relative performance of other headphones I’m comparing it to.
The we all are resident “Experts” in our own right…Let each ear here what it will…
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I think I missed this comment.
Yeah, I had read that a while back when you posted it. I also read the initial review from Resolve. I don’t think I had my Empy when those went up.
I guess I never chimed in until now because when those reviews were posted I didn’t have my own pair. I had heard them at RMAF, and didn’t recall that they sounded like those reviews. I spent hours on a well loved pair at my friend’s house with his Sonnett Morpheus > ECP 3F chain, and definitely didn’t think it sounded like the reviews. I guess that unless I own them (or previously had owned them) in my own chain, I generally won’t pick too many nits with a reviewer. Now that I have my own pair, and I see an ocean of difference between the reviews and my own experience, now is finally the time to chime in. I’m not just picking on Chrono. That was never the point.
Not for everyone, that I can agree with.
I feel the type of music that they are perfect for is edm. There’s no tonal issue or other issues because it’s all electronic. The new type of pop it mainly electronic, vocal music not too many acoustic instruments. Todays pop I wouldn’t want to judge if it’s a real instruments or recorded on a file and played over the singers voice. So Empyrean have no fault for me except I’d like a clearer region in top end mids to highs like my beloved 1266 TC.
I was thinking about the diaphragm moving if you have two moving coils moving different ways on same diaphragm doesn’t that do something to the natural movement to the driver that can effect it. And there’s no crossover for the spiral coil and switchback coil right so bass would still come out the spiral and vise versus.
Great review @Chrono. You’re always very clear about what you like or dislike, and why, so that if I ever listen to the same headphone, I can compare my notes to yours and figure out where our tastes overlap and where they differ.
I love the fact that there’s so much debate about the Empyreans. It’s much more interesting to read. The most controversial thing about a typical ZMF thread is that some people prefer the Verite Closed to the Verite Open, but they all agree that both headphones are great.
As @ValentineLuke said, it makes me want to get a pair. Unfortunately my 2020 budget is all used up (unless I decide not to replace my basement sump pump, which is risky since my listening room is in the basement 
). Or similar to the Utopia, which was also divisive, the Empyrean would be perfect for a loaner tour…
Even though I’m a Empyrean lover I agree with Chrono and Resolve. If they improve the issues I hope the bass stays where it’s at.
Review: Meze Empyrean - Hail the King - Headfonia Reviews
Meze Audio Empyrean Isodynamic Hybrid Headphones Review | StereoNET United Kingdom
Another set of reviews…
@Jsim The second one is with Benchmark’s HPA4/DAC3 team and a Feliks Eurphoria.
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SoundStage! Solo | SoundStageSolo.com - Meze Audio Empyrean Headphones
Found this part very revealing to me, why? Because its from musicians who love and live music, not is headphone nerds:
To get a broader perspective on the sound of the Empyreans, I ran them by our usual panelists: LeRena Major, a Los Angeles saxophonist who’s held several positions in the music business and is a voting member of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences, and John Higgins, who holds a master’s in music performance from USC and has served as a frequent contributor to Wirecutter and Sound & Vision . Both compared the Empyreans with the Audeze LCD-X, the Focal Stellia, and the HiFiMan HE1000 V2 headphones. Both also greatly preferred the Empyreans’ sound with the leather earpads, and their comments below reference the sound with the leather earpads only.
"LeRena liked the tonal balance of the Empyreans, proclaiming their treble detail and openness better than that of the LCD-Xes, and their balance of treble to bass more realistic than that of the HE1000 V2s. She thought the Empyreans and the Stellias sounded similar overall. The big difference she heard was that the Empyreans had a somewhat bigger and more natural-sounding sense of space. That’s exactly what you’d expect when comparing an open-back model to a closed-back model, but LeRena didn’t know at the time whether these models were closed- or open-back, and it’s hard to tell by looking at them. She did, however, like the somewhat tighter and punchier sound of the Stellias’ bass – no surprise, considering that most of her listening is to pop music.
John felt much the same way about the comparison between the Empyreans and the Stellias; he thought both sounded a couple of notches better than the other headphones we tried. He praised both headphones’ midrange and treble detail, and the sense of space they offered, although he felt the Empyreans sounded a little more spacious. He also felt the Empyreans had a somewhat fuller bass sound – and/or a softer treble, depending on how you look at it – and occasionally gave him about a decibel more bass than he really wanted.
YMMV…
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Yup, I value the opinions of those that love and live music.
However, one should take into account whether the preferences are due to the cans themselves versus a general sound signature preference, as well as similar price range.
Thus, it would be good to get a comparison with the Verite Open, Aeolus, RAD-0, and LCD-3.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove but it has already been stated that the empyrean is a polarizing headphone. There are people who love it and people who hate it. More and more publications have started to only post positive reviews of gear that they try so it’s becoming less common to find negative reviews. I commend the reviewers on this thread because they were unafraid to voice their opinion that the Empyrean isn’t meant for everyone and that it might be the exact opposite of what people are looking for.
If you’re trying to convince yourself that you made the right choice or that your purchase is justified, maybe you should stick to just reading those reviews you posted. I’m not sure why you have the need to post 6 different reviews over the past few hours after one bad review when this thread has been open since April 2018.
As you said, we listen with our ears. Other’s ears have told them that the Empyrean is not for them. Obviously yours have told you that Empyrean is awesome. Let’s just leave it at that please.
Just shining the light on a dark subject…
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