Suggest audio-related topics for us to cover on our podcast, The Noise Floor!

I’d love to talk about this, but I don’t think the other guys will know much about MSEB. However, I think it’ll fit in well with something else I’d like to talk about with them, and I think they’ll have plenty to say about “easy EQ” so it has been added!

As someone who works in the HiFi business, I think it would be very interesting to hear how you guys think a small company should handle such a situation?

Another good question. Added!

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20 years ago we used pink-brown etc. curves to master a mix with a dry-wet level depending on the song. Nowadays plug-ins like ozone determines the “target” of what a song needs based on its sound signature.

Why can’t headphones be tuned like this? we have various targets+ their tilted versions. Why not pick the closest target to a headphones natural responce curve?

I wish someone would make a website for this like autoeq, we aşready have the technology to make this possible.

Hi, I’m interested to know if any of you have tried the silver edition sundara, it is supposed to have less treble energy than the of one and is made for the European market. Can’t see anyone talking about it anywhere.

Wasn’t it mentioned in a review or some video with Resolve that it’s identical?

  1. A full music stream where songs are picked and everyone listens to them while commenting.
  2. Some kind of researchy thing where the chat tests something and you gather data. Could even be basic like everyone EQ’s their headphones with Oratory’s presets and finds their preferred gain, frequency or Q for a specific filter or something to get an idea of variance in preferences. A shared Google doc to record the data or something. Even just live questionnaires, results and discussion.
  3. Discussion about an ideal made in to a product way for people to have their HRTF’s etc and headphones measured for the best possible personalized sound reproduction possible with the knowledge you have. What would it take to start selling it to people?
  4. Headphone/IEM measuring master class where we’d go through all the practical stuff, special cases,analyzing results and their accuracy etc.
  5. Listener explains to Resolve and Blaine why and how certain hip hop/rap albums are great (especially D’Angelo’s Voodoo) until they are convinced (or not) and while all listen to them music. All can flip roles doing the same with something they love, but the rest don’t get.
  6. A surface level walkthrough of the relevant research according to the reading list that was mentioned.
  7. Comparisons of HRTF’s, tonal preferences etc and some level of graphs to clarify the differences.
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^ wot he said up there.

  1. If HPTF variation is so impactful on what we hear when listening to headphones, is it even worth browsing forums, reading reviews and watching YouTube reviews if the individual experience could vary that drastically? Should newcomers to the hobby just skip straight to auditions and then be done? If so, does that make measurements less useful overall for everyone but manufacturers and researchers?

  2. Is endgame real and truly attainable, or is the audio disease insurmountable? If attainable, how high in the price ladder would each of The Headphone Show hosts need to go in order to be “happy?” List that system.

  3. What is the true reason it is taking so long for you to publish your own version of squig.link? “Because we don’t want to mislead people and/or chance that they’ll use it incorrectly “ doesn’t count as an answer. :grinning:

  4. Headphones.com listener panel headphone target research project (one more person than the Harman target research) coming when? If you had the budget for it, how would the way you conduct it differ than what Harman did?

  5. If Headphones.com were to engineer one headphone, with the goal to have it appeal to the masses, what would it be?

  6. If you could force headphone manufacturers to change one thing about how they engineer headphones across-the-board, what would it be?

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Couple questions from the last podcast:

  1. How would we measure DF on our own head? And would this be a good starting point to EQ headphones to, assuming we had the headphone’s response to as well?
  2. Would it be feasible to build a measurement rig based on our own personal anatomy with 3D scans, i.e. scanning your head and then putting a measurement mic at the end of the ear canal?
  3. Should a headphone’s detail be thought of as a percentage of total “available detail” instead of a never ending scale of detail? My impression of reviews of all kinds of audio gear is that the latter is more often than not assumed by reviewers, which does not make sense intuitively to me. In my head, maximum detail could not exceed whatever has been recorded.
  4. To what extent would it be worth it to measure the mechanical movement of the driver at different points on the diaphragm? Perhaps we could compare the mechanical excursion of the driver to the musical signal to perhaps extract a detail retrieval metric? (while writing this one I thought of a couple reasons why it might not be useful, but I am still curious)
  5. I would love a quick look-through of the new Hifiman pricing and recommendations, because Ananda Nano at $400 and Aryas under $600 (both refurbished pricing) seems absurd. Do any of these become the top recommendations at their respective prices?
  6. A spicy take: instrumental timbre does not matter very much. Especially with instruments like guitar, sax, and trumpet, where a player’s tone is a significant distinguishing factor between different players, unless something sounds very wrong or if the recording is from a player whose tone I am deeply familiar with, most instruments sound completely fine to me. I’m personally a saxophone player, and depending on the genre I need to play, my tone will be completely different on the same exact instrument.

Also if Resolve does not like Voodoo I am unsubbing /j

Are closed backs even worth getting these days?
Compared to IEM’s, does it make any sense to get closed back headphones? Yes, there is good stuff like the DC E3, but couldn’t you find similar performance below 1K with IEM’s?
For what use case do you guys think closed backs are relevant? (Assuming that you can tolerate having IEM’s in your ears)

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The spectrum of music ≠ the ideal spectrum of a headphone. One is entirely present within the file itself and one is a characteristic of the playback system.

It might be easiest to think about it this way:

On average music has an average downslope of ~-3 dB/octave. Humans generally prefer a downward tilt on top of that from their playback systems being roughly -1 dB/octave downsloped. Thus, the “total preferred downslope” for humans listening to music is roughly ~-4 dB/octave downslope.

Since none of us are making the music and most good mixes are within that ~-3dB/octave ballpark anyway, we just need to worry about the preferred response for the headphones (or speakers) themselves, which again falls around -1dB/octave downsloped.

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A looooot of these are good LOL. I confess I don’t think Resolve or Blaine would really understand why A Tribe Called Quest’s Beats, Rhymes and Life is actually their best album (don’t @ me) but for the others I think there’s a lot to discuss here, so thanks!

Love these, especially the cheeky ones :smiley: Added!

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Wow! There’s a ton here. I fear you may have to cancel Resolve because he doesn’t like that album, and thus has objectively bad taste. Thanks though, I’ve added the ones that aren’t related to purchase advice.

Thanks! I think we’re going to be talking about one of your former topics on the show tomorrow, but I’ll add these to our list as well.

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Love the podcast!

Would love to see discussion (or interviews with the makers?) of micro-brew headphones or the process of building, testing, tuning, bringing to market, warranties, shipping, billing, etc etc.

Small companies building awesome headphones like:
ETA Headphones
SJY Audio
Aurorus Audio

… and of course the DMS Omega (which I own and love)

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Looking forward to seeing the show, as always. Might not be there live, as I’m in Europe and have a kid that might not be a sleep yet :blush:

For topic consideration…

In the wake of blowback to my Tungsten review, I am curious to better understand headphone amp memes. Broadly, the concept that you could get something sufficiently loud but still not be “giving it enough power” (ignoring distortion), or more specifically, the difference (if any) between getting to a target SPL with an amp that biases for voltage vs. amperes to achieve the same watts output.

I am an electrical idiot. But I also haven’t had the auditory experiences some people are very strongly convinced they’ve had.

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Ah I see, the podcast probably isn’t the best medium for purchase advice. Would love to see this in a video though, as I am curious about the older Ananda and Arya models as well as the HE6sev2 and how well they stack up at mid-fi prices.

How about the following Spicy take for the next podcast (and a 2nd slightly related spicy take):

Audiophiles only appreciate 1/2 the music

The best music I believe is a 50 / 50 mixture of amazing poetic lyrics that really dig deep into your brain mixed with fantastic orchestration / arrangement and production. But I feel Audiophile ignore that lyrical side of the good music to only focus on the orchestration and production.

Old classic recording are being ignored by Audiophile due to Tape hiss
One thing I have noticed with my own journey is I now can’t listen to certain recordings from the 50s and 60s (especially classic Jazz) due to hearing the Tape hiss of the recording instead of the actual music. The better the equipment I got the worse this problem seems, even on classics like Kind of Blue I really just hear too music Tape hiss (especially with IEMs and Headphones less so with good Speakers).

You’ve been talking to the wrong audiophiles. Love of the music comes first, tape hiss or wax recordings without electricity be damned. We had a group here that went through a history of jazz book listening to greats that built the genre. Even if recorded in the teens. And not twenty-teens.

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