Campfire Audio Andromeda in-ear Headphones - Official Thread

I thought the same thing.

I thought the last thing Andromeda needed was MORE bass. It needs more mids!

That said, the change of nozzle to the Solaris/IO/Polaris v2 style is a welcome change if it behaves how the IO did when I wore it. It was very comfortable compared to the Andromeda’s shallow fit.

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Hmm. I’m on the other end of the spectrum here - I’ll grant the Solaris does some neat things with staging but I find the Andromeda easier to fit and less fatiguing to listen to. I’ve spent way more time with my Trio than either, though.

I’m curious enough that I ordered a pair to try.

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Some great comments in this thread. Upon seeing this revised Andromeda my first thought is why? Personally I don’t care for constant updating of products. This is of course unless it’s a major upgrade. Which this could be of course. But I am in the camp that says this will adversely affect the stock Andromeda sound. I can’t see how they could keep the basic Andromeda FR with adding extra drivers surely this will skew it. Though I am no expert just an interested party.

if anoynone is interested in the limited black/gold edition…

Jude has measurements and impressions of the Andromeda Gold on Head-Fi.

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the “original” green Andromeda with the golden screws would look awesome

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forgot to add - output impedance <1.4Ω (32Ω loaded)

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I’m looking to get my first pair of good in-ears. I did a bit of research and the Andromeda’s (or Vegas) seem to be good fit. I’ve read that output impedance of your source is a topic of debate. Would you think, that they would be a good match for my Fiio Q5?

The sweet spot is said to be around 2 Ohms. Eq can also help. Below 2 Ohms it’s lower end becomes more pronounced and above 2 Ohms it gets brighter. It’s down to preference really.

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Thanks, that sounds like it could match. I like a neutral sound reproduction with the possibility to have good bass extension when I’m in the mood for certain tracks.

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Just spent 4 1/2 hours with the Andromeda in my ear holes… my ears are not happy with me (physical pain wise, damned sensitive ears) :cry: But these are still the only IEMs I’ve come across that I can stand for more than 30min to an hour without my ears starting to ache. Well the BGVP DMG, is another one that I can run with for a bit, also I had decent length of use with the T2/T3s. But none so far as long as I can stand the Andromeda which is odd, because the shape of it doesn’t scream comfort lol.

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Tried the Andromeda at munich high end this may and it was like they are made for me. From the beautiful design I thought/wondered how could this fit my strange small ears. They look edged like a strange lady in a bar a few points over your weight class with the single aim hurting you.

Over many years tried IEMs and always lost them- main reason beeing probably standard sized tips
Arrived at the CA booth with my T3 attached to ES100 :slight_smile: hanging out over ear like at the bakery store. What a nice chat! Cool experiance!

Most days I Go out for a walk with our dog for about an hour. Stereo happiness. Later in the office I put the right one in and in the break use both for an hour. In the afternoon I use again the right one only and the left ear is free for calls or people trying to disturb me. No physical problems.
I now use always the smallest tips with the big head and in my tiny ears.
So reading you used them for over 4 hours is very interesting to me.
IEM Investment over 200 still hurts my reasonable part- but with knowledge comes responsibilty- my wallet aches but it makes so much sense
And the case- want to live in this cuddly thing :love_you_gesture:

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Impressions to come after I plug in my (also arrived today!) TA-ZH1ES.

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Are you sure that isn’t a 64 Audio IEM ? :smirk::rofl:

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I mean I honestly could not be happier with the serial number for that exact joke :wink:

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I haven’t seen anyone else mention this yet but the Andromeda Gold comes with three of Campfire’s awesome little mesh bags (one for IEMs, one for foam tips, one for Final Audio Type E tips).

Still haven’t had time to rig up the TA-ZH1ES or do A/Bs but I’ve been listening to Tidal on my Nano BL (via IEMatch port, of course). The new-style nozzle fits my ears much more securely than the shorter nozzle on the regular Andromeda.

Nothing scientific but I find myself gravitating to live tracks on the Gold. Still using the standard foams (which I generally liked on the Solaris but didn’t care for on the Andromeda - nozzle change probably comes in to play here).

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I reviewed the Andromeda here on Reddit.

If you would rather not use Reddit, I’ve attached the word document in this post here with the photo album linked here

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Nice review.

Full text of the review. Sorry, I wasn’t aware that I needed to post the full version. Sorry if there are issues with the formatting, I’ll try to fix what I catch.

DISCLAIMER: THE ANDROMEDA WAS PROVIDED AS A LOAN FROM THE HEADPHONES.COM COMMUNITY PREVIEW PROGRAM IN EXCHANGE FOR AN HONEST REVIEW.

Introduction


If for some reason you don’t know about the Andromeda, I’ll just rip that band-aid off quickly. The Andromeda is Campfire Audio’s five BA driver model that was the brand’s flagship for quite a while. It is widely regarded as one of the best TOTL IEMs on the market, and is pretty much recommended about as much as my dentist recommends that I floss more often. That’s about all you need, lets get into it.

The Box and My Source

Campfire continues to impress with their unboxing and accessories included. I used small Final Type E tips. The fit is pretty good for me, and the Smoky Litz cable continues to shit on the Silver Litz of yore. The build is great, but I still don’t trust the coating to handle scratches very well. Also, I used the Andromeda out of the iPhone dongle, so just know this is a lower impedance version of the Andromeda, which is supposedly has more bass (more on the bass later) than the 2.5 Ohm Andromeda, which is often said to be the best match for it. Otherwise, the dongle has zero hiss, and if people can review the Andromeda out of a Dragonfly Red then I can review it with the dongle ok?

Overall Tuning


The Andromeda is often recommended for its unique tuning. If I had to describe it, I would say it overall leans a bit towards an inoffensive sound while still sporting a nice treble sparkle/decay up top, with a lower midrange emphasis to boot. The bass is fairly light, even in my experience using it with a lower output impedance. I don’t have much else to say beyond this without going into further detail so let’s get into the full review.

Bass

So, my personal Xelento unit showed up the same day as my Andromeda loaner did, so I feel like I wouldn’t even be able to blame you for skipping this section because that pretty much gives my preferences away immediately. The Andromeda in the circles that I operate most often in (Discord) is pretty much pinned as something with zero bass, which I generally must agree with, even with the context of my Xelento ownership aside. It has that trademark BA bass, with the fast attack (which was satisfying enough with some songs) but also with a quicker decay that I found unsatisfying.
For Context, my ER2SE, which you should keep in mind that Etymotic’s SE/SR models are not known for any bass emphasis whatsoever, has bass that is more than enough to satisfy me in the context of being a dynamic driver, which while the levels of bass are rather paltry, I get that nice decay that comes with the driver type that the Andromeda’s balanced armatures fail to deliver on. I really feel like the bass on the Andromeda is gonna be the dealbreaker for most people, which is fine. If you want bass, there are plenty of other options and the Andromeda is really not for these people. Just to reiterate, while these are by definition excuses I am making for the Andromeda, I am also saying at the same time that bassheads should not buy this as their primary IEM, like, at all. It has mediocre decay, is fairly one note, and even at a low OI failed to yield a “yowza” out of me in respects to level of bass or the more technical aspects.

Midrange

So now that the bass is out of the way, it only goes up from here. The Andromeda’s midrange fails to impress me regarding the upper midrange dip, seeing as I prefer a bit more energy in that section. For comparison, the ER2SE has a much, much, much more aggressive boost in that area of pretty much all of 1-5khz, and while that can be a bit much for some, it doesn’t really bother me much. That being said, the Andromeda does have something that my Xelento does not: due to not having a dummy thicc bass boost and also having the relative recession of the midrange, the Andromeda gets to throw down the cold hard truth of the fact that a lower midrange, in fact, does exist, and I am missing out on it every time I use the Xelento. Let me reemphasize here, going back to the Andromeda from the Xelento is like night and day for lower mids. It is very similar to the Orion in that the upper mids suckout/strangeness is essentially a trade for engaging male vocals in my book.

Treble

Easily the highlight of the Andromeda, let me just disclaim here: if the Andromeda’s treble fails to impress you, or you just don’t care about treble in the first place, please don’t buy this thing. Just don’t. Seriously.

Anyways, the Andromeda’s treble is easily the strongest suit of the entire IEM. It’s subdued enough to not be piercing (although I personally have a bit higher tolerance for treble than most), while also having very pleasing detail and decay. The Andromeda’s “shimmery” treble is no joke, and it is, dare I say, rather nice in fact. Despite this being my favorite part about it, I feel like it’s hard to say anything else because it has already been said. Everything I’ve owned before has not really had similar presentation in the treble, so hopefully that says enough for comparison.

Technicalities


The Andromeda is no slouch in technicalities. Besides the very impressive treble, I found the separation of instruments and the imaging to be by far the most impressive aspect of it. While I enjoy my Xelento, and in the detail department it is about on par with the Andromeda in my opinion, it really has that IEM “sound firing directly into your ears” situation going on, while the Andromeda basically leaves me rethinking what an IEM can be capable of. It’s fun as hell to try songs and find out that every instrument is coming from a different direction.

Direct Comparisons

Please note, this is one of the first TOTL IEMs I have ever tried, so I am going to not be comparing as many things because nobody really cares about how some $30-100 stuff compares to the Andromeda (they don’t).

Versus Xelento


The Xelento is the only IEM I’ve tried that really warrants a comparison to the Andromeda, despite them both being pretty much opposites. While they both occupy that $1,000 range, the Xelento opts for a fairly recognizable deep V shaped tuning, while the Andromeda opts for the more unique tuning that I described earlier. Additionally, the Andromeda is a purely multi-BA setup while the Xelento makes do with the more plain choice of a single DD. Before going into further detail, let me just say that the bass comparison is a non-starter. The Xelento, if this comparison was only on the merit of bass, would cast the Andromeda into the realm of dumb garbage that I hate. It’s a dynamic driver, ok? It has bass extension, it has, well bass in general. The Andromeda is frankly limited in the bass region by its drivers.

Anyways, the midrange is not as exciting to compare. The Xelento has no lower mids, the Andromeda has more but still fairly anemic upper mids. Pick your poison, because neither of these are winning any awards in this department. The Andromeda’s lower mids were certainly a treat though coming from the Xelento, though.
The treble on the Xelento is mainly just a tool to balance out the bass so you don’t end up with a generic warm/bassy tuning. It is definitely there, but it really just exists to complement the bass in my opinion. I already went full cram salesman on the treble so you pretty much can guess my verdict.

Versus ER2SE

“I don’t want to compare these” I say.

“But why? Didn’t you mention them like 50 times in the bass/mids/treble sections?” You probably then say.

So basically, I’m monky I utilized the ER2SE’s tuning to explain my tastes to give reasons for why I may be not so keen on parts of the Andromeda. Don’t get me wrong, the ER2 is a very capable IEM and remains as a very important recommendation in its price range, but to say it is outdoing the Andromeda in anything besides tuning preference and the inherent advantages of a DD is something I am too lazy to write about (but I’m not to lazy to explain why I’m lazy.) If you know you like DF over whatever you’d label the Andromeda’s tuning or vice versa, you’ve basically figured it out yourself (same situation with BA vs DD.) I don’t need to tell you these sorts of things. See what I just did? Now you’re the reviewer.

Song Testing

Yeah, some of the songs I use aren’t that well-mastered, I usually just pick favorites that I listen to often because I am not super familiar with the usual picks (Aja, RAM, etc.)

Fleet Foxes – “Montezuma”

This song basically sealed the deal on the Andromeda having upper mids that much better than the Xelento’s. The vocals actually give me chills at some points, while the Xelento has them noticeable pushed back. It really was a “wait, this can sound like this?” moment.

Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross – “THE BRICK”

Did I need to type it all caps? Well either way, this is a song where the Andromeda isn’t going to win out. The Xelento’s sub bass performance handily wipes the floor with the Andromeda’s, but that’s to be expected because that’s the thing that the Xelento is supposed to do.

Preoccupations – “Newspaper Spoons”

This song sounds pretty badass on the Xelento. The drums hit hard, and the vocals don’t seem to suffer like with other tracks. Sounds just as commanding as ever. As for the Andromeda (what am I reviewing again?) The drum kicks sound a bit more blunt and less detailed with the Andromeda, but it is still a strong performer.

Nirvana – Endless, Nameless

This song really flexes the Andromeda’s imaging capabilities and the treble decay well. Could pinpoint everything in the song at any given moment, all while those cymbals hit just right.

A Trible Called Quest – Excursions

The bassline on this track really doesn’t come through, even with the Andromeda’s decent attack, which is a shame. That’s about all I have to say for this one.

Conclusion

I want to make these conclusion sections the most subjective area of my reviews from now on (however often I may do them), where I go into detail on the general value of a product and if I, as the affluent and wealthy college student that you know me to be, would purchase one for myself.

Soooooo, would I buy an Andromeda for myself? Well, no, not really. While my time with it was (or rather “is” at the time of this writing) very enjoyable, I have given my blood, sweat, tears, and other fluids to the cult of the dynamic driver. Despite the negative opinions in the circles I occupy regarding this thing, in the context of balances armatures, I think that the Andromeda has its place in the IEM world if you do not care about bass too much, and then treble is your priority (whatever genres that may fit for you.) Personally, I am a cheap bastard, and only bought the Xelento when it popped up for $495 refurbished on eBay, and it is essentially as good as the Andromeda in my opinion, just in its own respective areas (they’re basically opposites in a lot of regards, as I said.) I personally believe that if you could snag the Andromeda for about $700 and met the aforementioned conditions, it could be considered a pretty good deal. I went in expecting not too much besides the famous Andromeda treble and imagine, and while I left with some of my biases confirmed (weak bass), I was overall pleasantly surprised (lower mids, anyone?) I highly encourage people to demo it if they can, because with its unique tuning and overall presentation, the Andromeda, whether it is still is a $1,000 benchmark or not, is at the very least a must try.

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Great review and I agree with your point it being great for treble heads like me. The bass is the weak point of the Andromeda for sure and won’t satisfy any bass head. Really enjoyed reading your thoughts.

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