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Sergei Vasilyevich Rachmaninof.
Born 1873 Died 1943.

was a Russian composer, virtuoso pianist, and conductor of the late Romantic period. The influence of Tchaikovsky, Rimsky-Korsakov, Balakirev, Mussorgsky, and other Russian composers is seen in his early works, later giving way to a personal style notable for song-like melodicism, expressiveness and rich orchestral colors.
(Source obviously Wikipedia)

Though I don’t know that much about him or his music as I am a noob in the Classical genre.

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One of the things I love about Rachmaninov is that you can hear recording of him playing his own compositions (piano).

Imagine hearing Mozart playing Mozart…? :exploding_head:

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I believe that Peter Shaffer and Milos Forman did.

In this time, it’s a great movie for an afternoon at home.

later edit note: there is no evidence that there was any rivalry between Mozart and Salieri. Nor was Mozart quite the character shown here, but it makes for a good story. Now if you want a composer that really was a character, I’d nominate Robert Schumann, probably bipolar, and frequenter of university alehouses, whose hand paralysis is now thought to have been mercury poisoning by medicines of the time to help control his raging syphilis. A man who frequently paired music, drink, and loose women. And who wrote as if inspired by God, but pursued by demons. Of course I exaggerate for effect. Or maybe not.

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Appreciate your help. Really do. But please don’t spend too much energy on this as I can’t dedicate enough time of listening either. I’m sure I already collected plenty of useful info as starting point. :wink:

Cheers.

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HAHAHAHAHahahahah You think we’re doing this for YOU? You just supplied the impetus to get us started.

And those little movies are only a few minutes each.

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Seldom are endeavors altruistic…

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Haha yes most definitely, I had never thought of that.

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For anyone interested in Rachmaninov, I’d suggest these three pieces of music as excellent points of entry to his work. An ideal place to begin is the Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 18 . It’s a gloriously romantic and emotional piece of music, with moments of great excitement - especially when the orchestra comes in at full force - interspersed between some of the most beautiful melodies in all of the classical repertoire. Not for nothing is this Rachmaninov’s most widely-known work (it was also popularized by the soundtrack to the film Brief Encounter). There’s much to love about this concerto. It’s a pleasure just to listen to the interplay between the piano and the orchestra, the one alternating with the other and then the two coming together beautifully in some thrilling crescendos. The first movement, the moderato, is great fun; the second movement, the adagio sostenuto, is gentle and deeply moving, with a heartbreaking sadness to it, and the third movement, the allegro scherzando, returns to the energy of the first movement while tying together the main themes that have run through the entire piece and bringing everything to a rousing finale.

As for recommended recordings, I’d encourage everyone to go first to the old version with Julius Katchen playing the piano (with Solti conducting the London Symphony Orchestra). Alas, Katchen’s not as well known as he should be - tragically, he died young of cancer. His is arguably the most stirring interpretation of the piece, and the contrast between the rousing, fairly fast orchestral passages with the slower, quieter ones make the piano solos all the more tender and poignant. Unfortunately, the recording is far from the best in terms of sound quality, and there’s quite a bit of hiss, but if you can get through this, then Katchen’s is easily my favorite interpretation. A better quality recording, one that sounds richer and thicker, can be found in Leif Ove Andsnes’s excellent, though slower and more restrained performance (with Antonio Pappano conducting the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra). Simon Trpceski’s performance with the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra (with Petrenko as the conductor) is very expressive and probably the best compromise for combing higher sound quality with an interpretation rivaling Katchen’s energetic yet moving performance.

The Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini, Op. 43 is another great, well-known work. You’ll recognize a good many of the tunes. Two highlights are the 13th Variation, an Allegro, which is a blast, and variation 18, andante cantabile, which is deservedly famous and lush and romantic, just like the second piano concerto. Katchen’s version, which appeared together on releases of his second piano concerto on LP and CD, is excellent, but I’d suggest Simon Trpceski’s as the best one to start with. It’s a lovely recording. We’re blessed to have a good many wonderful recordings of Trpceski with the Liverpool Philharmonic, including fine interpretations of the third and fourth piano concertos (although I’d recommend Martha Argerich for the third - it’s a performance for the ages).

My favorite composition by Rachmaninov, mentioned above in a previous post, is his Isle of the Dead, Op. 29. It’s a deeply moving and affecting single piece of music, around 20-minutes in length, which has some of the most stirring and impressive string passages of any romantic-era music. A tone poem, the music follows the journey of a boat to an “Isle of the Dead,” inspired by a reproduction Rachmaninov saw of a then-popular painting, which was presumably a reference to Charon and the Greek myth of ferrying souls across the River Styx. The music begins eerily, with the orchestra’s strings mimicking the sound of oars pushing through the water. The music gradually rises and swells through a series of glorious, great crescendos before gradually receding to the original theme as the boat eases to its destination at the underworld.

The most exciting and powerful version, for me, is Evgeny Svetlanov’s with the USSR State Academic Symphony Orchestra. I’d recommend this as being the best point of reference; it’s an incredibly engrossing, passionate piece of music. Unfortunately, as with the Katchen, its sound quality could be better. For a better-quality recording, see Vladimir Ashkenazy’s with the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, which has a warmer sound, with richer string resonance and more prominent woodwind instruments, as well as great dynamics with the percussion. André Previn’s version, with the London Symphony Orchestra, is just as compelling. And there’s another, fascinating, and radically different take on the piece by Sevtlanov once again—one he recorded with the BBC Symphony Orchestra that’s well worth listening to once you’ve become familiar with his other version with the USSR State Orchestra. This second one is incredibly slow, if not ponderous. It lasts a full five minutes longer than his other one, and if you’re in the right frame of mind, it is a great alternative, one that starts out as a much darker, more foreboding interpretation before reaching an arguably sweeter and more sublime conclusion.

Thanks @prfallon69 for giving me an excuse to have a fun morning’s session listening to all this lovely music again! (I’m also getting the chance to fall all the more in love with my new Focal Clears!)

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Thank you very much for all your hard work and the excellent post. It’s full of great information for a relative beginner like me. I will endeavour to find what I can on my various online sources. Again thank you very much @Tchoupitoulas. Oh and I too find the Focal Clear to be great with classical as is the HD800S still waiting on my replacement Clears.

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Wonderfully well written post.

It’s funny, there are a few great composer/musicians that lived around the time that recording was in its infancy (or that the technology progressed slowly).

So many great recordings where my brain imaginarily applies a modern day recording “filter”. So many ‘what if’s’, but for me it’s usually blues musicians.

Great piece.

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I’m afraid I am absolutely lost in the classical music realm, I think I own only 3 or 4 CD’s of classical music. I have some Beethoven, some London Philarmonic and a few OST’s.

I am learning reading this thread though!

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Just came back from a (social distancing compliant) 1 hour walk and listened to part of this album:

I’m aware this is a very mainstream album but at least it does include a lot of well known pieces to regular listeners (myself included). My favorite track is Adagio in G minor. Melody is incredible although it may be interpreted as a sad piece.

This type of “Greatest Hits” (or “Best Of”) album/playlist is what I’m actually looking for in this thread.

Cheers.

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Masterful preface. :laughing:

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LOL, that is the London Philarmonic CD I have and was referring to in my post above yours. I actually really like it and listen to it regularly on long hauls flights.

(BTW, I wish I could go for a walk… :cry: )

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The “related” link on that wikipedia page will take you to a bunch of compilations that would be great insofar as they’re lengthy; in particular, you might check out the “99 most essential masterpieces,” especially the ones on “the Classical Era” and “the Romantic Era.” They should keep you going for long walks!

More helpfully, I hope, is this nice collection from the record label Deutsche Gramophon, which also includes a few opera arias that might appeal.

If you find something you like, as with the Adadio in G Minor (it’s a beautiful piece, eh?!), it can be good to see what other music gets included with it on CD releases. Again, here’s a Deutshce Gramophon release that will lead you through Albinoni to Bach, Pachelbel, and others, all of which go together nicely.

Since the adagio was your favorite, maybe have a listen to Handel, Monteverdi, and Purcell.

And have a look for other adagios, like Barber’s Adagio for Strings (another melancholy piece).

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Adagio for strings is actually my favourite piece and is included on “The 50 Greatest Pieces of Classical Music” that @frkasper posted.

Thank you for the link to the Deutsche Gramaphon, I am on a musical journey tonight that I would have never imagined an hour ago :smile:

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Thank you for the kind words @ValentineLuke and @prfallon69. I was surprised at how much I like the Clear with large orchestral works, I’d thought they’d trail far behind my HD 800, given the latter’s wider, more open soundstage and its excellent imaging. But now the HD 800 sound kind of thin, even out of a tube amp (the ZDT Jr.). I read that you’re a fan @prfallon69 of IEMs; would you mind recommending an IEM for classical music, please? I have the Massdrop Plus, and love it, but I’d eventually like to upgrade to something closer to the Clear or HD 800 in terms of resolution and speed and sense of spaciousness.

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Listened to the Isle of the Dead, Rachmaninoff, Op.29 today. Was checking how the Sonos Port is integrated into my main system. I really don’t care for it, but Rachmaninoff’s homages to Debussy were very nice. Somehow, I recall there being some pieces inspired by folk melodies, and while searching hit upon the term Gypsy, which took me out of classical. And down the road of Santana, Hendrix, Savoy Brown, Moody Blues, Winton Marsalis.

Someday, that may be “classical music”

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I’ve done this … live … a couple of times now (my arse will never forgive me …).

The first time was at Covent Garden (The “Royal” Opera House) in London … since that’s where I am from.

Der Ring des Nibelungen ( The Ring of the Nibelung ) was one of two reasons I learnt German (the other had a more feminine swerve).

Despite being spread across an entire week, even individual evenings were quite punishing …

Monday: Das Rheingold
Tuesday: Die Walküre
Wednesday: Off for good behavior (and because the cast were entirely shagged out) …
Thursday: Siegfried
Friday: Götterdāmmerung

My arse hasn’t been quite the same since …

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Hi…Ian.

Let’s do this

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