Lossless Streaming in 2019 - A Comparative Overview & Review

Thanks guys! I don’t have a desktop computer, and just use my phone(S10+ android), ipod touch, and ipad mini. I found dark mode for my ios, but not Android.

Overall, I like the sound of Quboz better than Tidal, both at the HiFi level. However, Quboz still does not have all the music I found on Tidal, so looks like I will be keeping both for now.

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I went through the same thing with Qobuz too and ultimately kept Amazon HD and Qobuz as I refuse to put a single dollar in Kanye Wests pockets.

Qobuz still is about 10,000,000 tracks short of tidal and AmazonMusicHD in the USA but I also like it the best and it has introduced me to all kinds of new music. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem there is a one streaming service to rule them all yet…

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I was talking about this with a friend, and I jokingly said “Amazon HD music needs to buy Roon and make it their playback front end / meta data repository. It would destroy Tidal if that happened”. And shortly after that we both kind of fell silent contemplating how great and scary that would be all at the same time. All the albums I bought off Amazon, my local library, and their streaming could be seamlessly integrated. Their metadata would crush everyone else’s. It would become the best streaming service bar none.

BUT, we both felt they would do terrible Amazon crap to the software and user experience, like exclude popular titles from streaming to force a must-purchase-before-you-can-stream-it business model for highly desired music/new releases, destroy the multi room utility of it, put advertising in it, and generally be greedy whores all at the same time… Which would kill any of the benefits. That’s just what happens when you become a monopoly - you get to be a douchebag and get away with it.

Well, that was our thoughts on the matter anyway.

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So true unfortunately, just look what Apple has been doing ever since Steve passed…

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USB Audio Player Pro on Android is “the qobuz dark mode” :wink:

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IMO, we have to be VERY wise in selecting a streaming service(s).

I won’t support Amazon or Apple streaming (though we do have a lot of Apple products) as their quality is not on par with the Q - (Qobuz). If all you have are cheap ear buds, then Amazon may be ok, but for those that have quality systems and headphones, Amazon isn’t even close IMO!

And while the Q is slower at putting music up they are concerned with “quality” more than “quantity.” While Tidal features MQA (which is of no sonic benefit unless you have the proper equipment and in the few MQA CDs I have IMO it isn’t worth upgrading. I would call it different, but not better though there are “a few” songs I like it on) a good number of their regular files aren’t on par with the Q. In the testing we did for the most part the Q rules when it comes to “quality.” This said, Qobuz is adding daily to their files. I have more than enough to listen to on Qobuz - literally 1000s of songs with some of my playlists being over 400 tracks each!

However, my concern goes much deeper with companies like Amazon. While it is not technically a monopoly it is a monopsony - a situation where there is only one buyer that controls the market because it is the main purchaser of goods and services from sellers.

So, if someone like Amazon one day controls ALL the music what happens? Other companies go out of business and then the prices will skyrocket with nothing to control them. Even the artists themselves will suffer in such an environment …

So, we don’t support the big guys like Amazon that much - i.e. we purchase as little as possible from them. In the long run they will put the mom and pop stores out of business. And that’s bad for all of us …

Is online shopping the future. Most likely! But make them slow it down. We NEED competition!

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I kinda have a different take on it, I think Amazon was good for the space as it forced all the competition in the hi-res offering space to step up their game, offer more features as differentiators at a better price. None of us are stopping the Amazon train anytime soon, Schiit we are not even slowing it down by not supporting it…

Trillions of dollars :dollar:

The beauty of what you said though is we have a choice to choose and I respect your decision to avoid Amazon.

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@MRHifiReviews sorry, but we are speaking of two different things.

While I agree with you that Amazon has helped somewhat in some present-day venues, my point was we need to ask what their end game is. So, while you are looking at the present-day good Amazon has done (and they have done some good), I’m looking at what the future will bring if the reins aren’t pulled in.

Any Amazon present-day good has a long-range goal!!!

And that is pretty easy goal to figure out. They want to be your Walmart, grocery store (Whole Foods), tool store, handy man, delivery service, health service (Amazon Care), pharmacy (PillPack), security company (RING) etc. And while you can’t buy a car on Amazon yet, you can research them (Amazon Vehicles). We know that is just a small step towards becoming “a” - no - “the” Auto dealer. In essence, they want it all.

So, what does this mean for our music?

Amazon Music didn’t begin first. (Aspiro) Tidal began in 1998 (Wiki has wrong info). They sold services (ringtones, interactive games, etc.) to mobile networks, but not directly to customers in those days. In 2010 they worked with Platekompaniet, a Norwegian chain that sells CDs and DVDs, to create WiMP (a stupid name), its music-streaming service. It later became Tidal. What set them apart was the quality of their audio being better than Spotify and Rdio (whose assets Pandora owns). So, Tidal desired the Audiophile business.

The Q began two years earlier in 2008 with for the most part even better higher quality music in Europe - also Audiophile quality. They expanded to the U.S. in 2019. Amazon also began in 2008 but with poorer MP3 quality. Amazon only recently added HD quality when they saw that Audiophiles for the most part didn’t like what they were offering. MP3 quality in a 100K system - not likely.

So, all this to say that I think Tidal and the Q have helped push Amazon to provide a better - but not superior - product. If it wasn’t for Tidal and the Q - Amazon MP3 would be it! (Spotify and Pandora are and were no competition for Amazon). So, like all the other markets already mentioned, Amazon wants the Audiophile one too.

This said, Amazon has the resources to sell cheap. They can buy at insane volumes and lower prices short-term. And when (not if) they do they will run others out of business.

We need to keep the competition alive. And though your graphic is hilarious, we can slow the train down by purchasing locally and not on the net. Trains can be derailed!

But I don’t want it so much derailed as I do slowed down. While I believe shopping online is the way of the future Amazon needs some solid online competition that still has brick and mortar stores as well.

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People are also concerned that they want to be your Financial Advisor and Insurance agent.
They have such good data-
I see your business has reached $100k per month. Do you need key person insurance? or people you your position probably need to upgrade their life insurance. Your profile shows that you have been buying toys for 2 girls and one boy, ages 5,7, and 10. You and your wife each need $1M of term life insurance, and how are you funding your college plans?

Take a break, here are some golf club ads in the website margins.

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I totally hear you, I am well aware of what Amazon is capable of. I used to be a district manager for one of North America’s largest consumer electronic retailers which also sold high end audio. I saw first hand how it effected the business.

However that company today is still trading at record stock prices and is still successful as a brick and mortar store along with online sales. They are to an extent because they changed their model to be successful in the face of a large threat from Amazon.

While I agree with you on shopping local whenever possible, I do support my local economy. However Headphones.com is an online business and I would give them my money much quicker than anyone locally as their service, selection, and price are always fantastic.

My point was once a company like Amazon, Google, Apple etc. set their sights on dominating a space they will do so with or without the support of you, or me. I of course don’t want the online streaming of music to become controlled by one company or a monopoly, and it should not as there are laws against monopolies.

The music industry has faced much worse issues than Amazon IMO, who had been selling cds and records long before they got into the streaming space. Not that many years ago everyone and their brother was just stealing music online and artists were getting nothing for it and neither was the local economy.

I of course made a choice to not participate in this kind of activity and purchased CDs as I loved the artwork, wanted to support the artist, local store and to me having a physical disc was very important. Just like you are making a choice to not support Amazon, which as I said earlier I totally respect! :fist: I choose not to support Kanye and Tidal, but for very different reasons. My main listening takes place on Qobuz but I also have AmazonMusicHD, and Spotify.

So while I may not fully agree with your logic, I do agree with some of it. I definitely hear and understand what you are saying. Much respect man!

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Woke up this morning and Amazon Music HD now has that speaker button to enable Exclusive Mode. So naturally I turn it on. It DEFINITELY takes it to Exclusive Mode (I turned on Tidal, but it says that “device is in use by a different user, device or service”. I can’t even playback Youtube on Chrome when Exclusive Mode is on.

Strangely, I’m still not sure if bit-perfect is happening, since the sample rate color indicator of my Chord Qutest doesn’t change as songs of different bit-depth and sample rate changes.

Hopefully they will get bit-perfect sorted out, but man, finally! Exclusive Mode!

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This is great news! I am going to test it out in the morning. Thanks for sharing this.

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Hopefully you’ll wake up next week and find Roon integrations.

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I am just hopeful I wake up next week! That’s a step in the right direction lol.

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thank you Joey!

this is very good news. Wil give it a try this evening.
I hope UAPP(android app) is going to add Amazon HD now to it´s ebabled services, as well.

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Uhm… I can’t seem to get version 7.11.xxx at the moment. It maybe a partial roll-out from Amazon side. :pensive:

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I really wish that they do speed up the rollout, as well as make their intention to do so public. Their biggest problem is the shroud of secrecy and lack of interaction with their subscribers. They don’t even offer change logs of what’s new and improved with every app upgrade.

It’s amazing that while Amazon Prime Video has been successful, Amazon Music HD seems lost and pushed into the shadows.

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Not available under my account yet, :confused:

It’s amazing that I still pay for Amazon Prime. It was supposed to offer inexpensive quick shipping. Now that I need it more, I find I’m using eBay because 2 day shipping got re-prioritized to 2 to 3 weeks.

I know I know as my wife tells me ‘bitch bitch bitch’

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I hear you. I needed a new office chair And Amazon quoted early May. Fortunately they’ve been shipping out non-prioritized things sooner. I order the chair Saturday and it arrived today. Things seem to be slowly getting back.

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