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No I do not have the internal MB card in my Jot.

I had the Bifrost 1 and now the Bifrost 2 so no need for the internal MB dac.

The MB upgrade dac specs the dac used in the internal MB dac as a AD5547 D/A chip.

In the Bifrost 2 two AD5781 converters are used. And in the FAQ for the B2 : take a look at our measurements, showing Bifrost 2 clearly resolving a -144dB signal. That’s -24 bits. Boom.

Thats a very poweerful statement when it comes to resolving power. Superb.

As far as the sound difference, I have no first hand knowlwedge here…

If you have a Jot and want to have a totally balanced system the Bifrost 2 allows you to have this and take advantage of this …if its important to you?

A few folks have stated the B2 is the better “sonic” option etc…and more upgradability.

When the B2 came out I lamented on getting rid of the B1 with the new Unison USB …but IMO its worth it if your going to be in this hobby or pastime for years to come…the price of the b2 is not cheap but its a great dac that will allow you to stop searching for a really, really good all around dac…and the balanced options are really nice, especially if you have a Jot already.

I had a $5495 DS dac here a month back and compared it to the B2, the B2 held its own…very nice…

Good luck with your decision!

Alex

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I have the multibit card in my Asgard 3. The Bifrost 2 was an upgrade in every fathomable way. Ask if you want to know anything else.

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I looked at your profile and you say you like warm and relaxing headphones. Do you find the Bifrost 2 to be all of these things more so than the MB card?

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Yes. The Bifrost 2 I would consider to be somewhat warm. It’s fairly balanced sounding giving the benefit of bringing you the whole experience without turning your volume up much at all. Some describe it as holographic. Modi Multibit is fun but not nearly as well extended from bottom to top, and not as spacious. Not to mention it’s vastly better at layering, detail, etc. You may not notice much on a Magni. Everything opens up going to the Asgard with the Lyr doing an even better job. Then going to something like a pretty good OTL like the Feliks Audio Echo the differences are quite noticeable. The most notable aspect to me was despite being excellently detailed, the grain in some of my headphones was way less obvious. Keep in mind I also mainly use hybrids that have a bit of inherent smoothing to the overall presentation of sound. YMMV

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Has anybody used the PYST cables from Schiit? It would appear that Schiit does not buy in to AudioQuest pricing on cables. Even though they seem to use unobtanium that’s been quantum entangled in an alternate universe.

I may need some XLR cables in the near future. And maybe a USBA to USB-B

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I haven’t tried Schiit’s cables, but I like Mogami Studio Gold. “Reasonably“ priced quality cables that are pretty transparent.
From there my go-to are somewhat fancy Kimber Kables that are quite pricey.

The Schiit PYST seem inexpensive enough to try.

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I’ve got few pairs of the RCA Pyst cables. They’re good cables, made by Straightwire. Honestly I think $20 is a bit steep for 6" of cable, but they’re still good and these short cables are not that common.

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What he said. They’re solid, no frills, well made cables

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I like Straight Wires Symphony 2C and it is my primary IC (in various lengths) in both of my HP rigs as well as my 2 - channel rig. Nothing fancy, just the right stuff put together well with nice connectors that aren’t too fat for Schiit’s (too close IMO) female RCA spacing’s, and reasonably priced. I’ve got many significantly more expensive brands but… I don’t see how you can lose at the price of Pyst’s and for stacking components those short lengths make for a better install with no extra meters of cable lying around behind the gear.

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Yup sure do…they work very well here for me…

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Ha!! Most cables are “costly” even short ones, the time it takes to connect. solder a 6" cable to 4 connectors is about the same labor…the cost of the cable from 6" to 3 ft is not that much…so the cost for 6" is still going to be what it is…

I made a 6 Ft cable with Canare cable and it cost me 54 cents a foot…but the connectors cost more and the time to build was 99% connecting the connectors…

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And that’s what your paying for, labor.

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Does anyone have any thoughts/experience using the Freya + as a preamp with a solid state amp (especially a Schiit amp) in a headphone setup? I’m especially interested in how the Freya + might pair up with an Asgard 3 or Jotunheim in a headphone setup, compared to a standalone Lyr 3.

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I don’t but AtomicBob over on SBAF has a thread on synergies and implements the Freya into his headphone setups as a pre for Jotenheim. Might be able to read up on some impressions, from what I remember it seemed to be relatively positive.

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Really impressed with Schiit customer service. I know some people seem to have faced trouble with them, but when my Asgard 3 high/low gain switch got stuck yesterday and won’t move they were quick to get me a return label and a new unit shipped out.

That’s what I like :sunglasses:

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Schiits customer service is First Class for sure…

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Thanks, I did read through that thread and it seemed quite positive. I’m curious about relative tube performance, e.g., if one were to decide between DNA amp, Pendant, and Freya + plus Schiit SS amp. I haven’t come across any impressions speaking to that. The Freya + is reviewed very favorably in speaker setups. Alexander who replies to emails with Schiit said the Freya + should work great for headphones. I plan on visiting The Schiitr if able to demo on site before making my decision.

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Thats the BEST idea!!! Then you will be able to tell us!!!
Looking forward to your visit experience!

Alex

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That’s the goal!

By the way, if anyone is looking for some comic relief, have a listen of their voicemail greeting :joy::

The Schiitr
22508 Market Street
Newhall, CA 91321
(661) 388-2257

I’m especially curious how the Saga + compares to the Freya + with respect to the Asgard 3, which wouldn’t make use of the Freya + balanced connections.

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Here are some quick impressions / comparisons of the Jotunheim & Asgard 3 (and Blackwidow 2).

Asgard 3 - Compared to the Jot, this is a less intense amp, for lack of a better term. Notes don’t have as hard of an edge, impact/slam is a little softer, and it’s the more musical and easy to listen to. Its class A sure, but not the gooey warm Class A of the old Asgard 2. It’s more of a liquid and smooth sounding neutral-ish sound. It pairs very well with headphones that already have a bunch of slam or emphasis, and helps tame high frequency spikiness, like in the TH-X00 line. Probably why it’s my favorite for the E-mu Teak. It doesn’t help the Empyrean push through its velvety mellowness so you get both smooth and crispy flavors, especially using the suede pads. That’s why I bought the Jotunheim.

Blackwidow 2 - Extremely engaging amp to listen to. Has more staging, impact, and excitement vs the Asgard 3. It does this without sounding hard or sharp. Helps the HD650 and Auteur pick up more spice without ruining what makes those headphones great.

Jotunheim - It sounds warmish and definitely emphasises the impact of every note - not just in the bass, but all across the frequency range. It’s not easing any peakiness (if already present in a track) like the Asgard does to a small degree, but I don’t hear any overemphasis in the treble either. Bass slam is impressive. Stage isn’t bad, but could be better. The amp seems to like to highlight string plucks, piano key strikes, and kickdrum thuds. For example, listening to Rebecca Pidgeon’s Spanish Harlem, when the piano first starts to play, my attention was drawn to the very subtle sound of the key being pressed and the quiet hammer strike that precedes the note being played.

Here is where things take a twist. All of the above is with the Jot in high gain mode. Turn it to low gain, and the above mentioned emphasised characteristics get tamed a bit, and it sounds a bit more mellow. It kind of falls into line a bit. This is quite nice as the Jot has plenty of power and volume knob range on either setting to provide ample volume to any of my headphones.

Jotunheim’s unashamedly in your face kind of presentation won’t work for every headphone, but for the Empyrean + suede pads it gives it a kick in the shorts to overcome the smoothness. There is no doubt it has absolute grip on the transducer here. If you paired this with most Focal headphones or HD800, I think the harder edges and emphasised dynamics would be a bit overbearing, especially in high gain mode. Jot would probably pair very well with Aeolus and Atticus, and maybe the more mellow/warmer sounding Audeze/HFM cans. I haven’t tested it for long, but it did bring a little more of the fun out of the Auteur too.

Synergy is everything though. The Jot + Empy is really quite good. Asgard is still my favorite pairing for the Teak. The Blackwidow 2 works very well with all my headphones though, and if I had to pick one amp to keep and sell the rest, the BW2 would stay. It’s an unobtainium amp, unfortunately.

So, leaving the BW2 out of the picture for a second, which is better: Asgard 3 or Jot?

As I described above, I would pick the Jot for headphones that need a kick in the ass, and the Asgard for already excitable headphones that need a more organic and cohesive sound. If in doubt, I would lean towards the Asgard as being the better all-rounder.

Thanks for reading.

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