I’m actually quite tempted, even though I’ve generally not been impressed by Woo’s DAC implementations in the past. Not entirely sure what their “Might Drive” topology really entails; whether it’s a tube-buffer w/ MOSFET amplification, tube-input with MOSFET output, or some other hybrid design … but they are “real” tubes (as opposed to Nutubes … which, at least, do sound triode-like … so don’t think I’m knocking them).
Two things get me though …
No analog input.
USB-A male, instead of USB-C female, connection.
An analog input would have made this an easy buy-decision, simply because I am wary of the DAC side of this (whereas any coloration/distortion on the tube side would be kind of what I was buying it for …).
At first I thought the choice of USB-A male as the connector might be to cleanly accommodate the Apple CCK/USB-Lightning adapter cables necessary to use iPhones with external DAC/amps. But thinking about it more a) iPhones are not listed as supported and b) they’ll be USB-C in a few months anyway (meaning Lightning will phase out).
Still, interesting … but one I’ll have to think more about and/or hear first … especially to see how it fairs with IEMs … as that’s going to be the bulk of my non-Speaker, non-HE-1, non-AirPods Pro 2 listening in the future.
Not that the answer tells me anything useful! Which is about the same result as if I was able to get sufficiently fucked up to be able to watch his inane drivel. Alas, this planet has insufficient fermentable material for that to occur …
He did mention some ringing that lasts for 40 seconds or so if you plug headphones in while it’s set to the output you plug them in to.
Also that, when plugged into a laptop, it covers the ports at the side of it.
According to Woo, it can drive the Susvara.
Can’t remember much more.
Regarding Zeos, I actually listen to his channel while cooking, he’s like a crazy chat radio station that involves audio stuff. I don’t watch his stuff for the reviews but, then again, I don’t watch or read hardly any reviews lately.
He is also a very funny guy in person, I had a great time with him in Munich, and he takes criticism of his tastes pretty well
I could speculate, but that would be rude … and you’re one of my favorite posters!
Oh my god … actual useful information …
Can’t say I’m surprised though … about the ringing that is … since the thing LITERALLY uses little springs in mounting the tube board. I would think a less compliant, possibly sorbothane, damping mechanism would work better. But I’m not a mechanical engineer.
Shame he doesn’t have a modern and/or non-WIntel laptop, with, say, a USB-C port, to plug the included cable into to avoid such nonsense!
So can the Apple Lightning-to-3.5mm adapter.
Staggeringly poorly, but it does make sound …
But then I can name any number of things that make sounds I like more than the Susvara … no matter what they’ve being driven by.
Woo (I’ve no issue with them, they’ve certainly seen plenty of my custom) also claimed that the WA234 took 6-weeks to build/ship. They were off by about 400% … which is probably closer to reality than a USB-tube amp is to doing a great job of driving the Susvara.
Torq and all,
I’ve been a lurker for a while. I have to say I’ve learned a ton from Torq and I now appreciate his candor in this forum!
Bill from Minneapolis. Andrew may remember me.
Since I live in the South, I get my coffee from CoffeeAm or Volcanica outside of Atlanta,and at times SweetWater Coffee in Gainesville Fl. For my Kona, its Hawaiian Queen in Kona Hi.
I impulse ordered the W4 last night based entirely on your TFW reaction. I have the cheap iFi, and Dragonfly Cobalt (and Black) so I really don’t need another, but I like the thought of a balanced output and low draw.
Plus I was feeling sorry for myself as I go in for an ablation procedure tomorrow, having recently been diagnosed with some AFIB. Maybe I will feel like seeing how they drive the RAD-0 while I recover.
Haven’t found anything that measures or sounds better in Dongle DAC/amp form. It runs rings around the AQ, iFi, Cayin, and even the Lotoo units (which were my prior favorite dongle DAC/amp) - especially on the APx555.
Updating its firmware is a bit of a faff (requires Windows, and needs drivers installed ON Windows before the updater will see the W4, so might need an x64 machine to do it) … but the updates have been useful (e.g. a hardware preset for the IE600 … which is separate from, and in addition to, its EQ options), so its been worth the effort.
I ordered the Woo, I need something for travel with work.
I’ve been using the RU-6 and it’s fine , hoping for something better than fine.
I hadn’t seen the W4 before.
Glad you are still enjoying yours. I keep my old Win 10 Sager laptop, with what was a pretty good i7 in it. But I’ve been migrating away from Windows. I now use my MacBook Pro 14 and Parallels running Windows 11 as much as the old Sager. I know you’re deeper in the Apple ecosystem than I am. Do you think that the W4 firmware update could be done using my Apple setup?
I just don’t know when to toss the Windows machine. In a pinch, I can use my wife’s MSI i5 of recent vintage. Been thinking about putting a Linux distro on the Sager - It’s got 32 gig of ram, a nice SSD and a hybrid drive, plus a CD/DVD drive. So it should be a reasonable platform for some medium weight Linux. Years ago I ran Ubuntu, then OpenSUSE. I don’t know what would work best now. Not looking for cutting edge, and I don’t mind the availabilty of paid support. Maybe Fedora, MiNT or MX. Not an urgent thing.
I’ve not tried running x64 drivers on Windows 11 for ARM under Parallels or VMWare, so I can’t say if the updater is likely to work on a M1/M2 series macOS machine.
I kept my last three Intel i9 MacBook Pros around for situations where I absolutely need Windows x64 support with, or without, virtualization. Which is almost exclusively for doing firmware updates on hardware (mostly radio stuff).
I’ve had a couple of situations where an updater would work fine under virtualization, but then the USB host dropped out during the update … which was a pain to fix (for some gear, that’ll brick the device … I got lucky). So now, when doing firmware updates on non-native macOS M1 updaters, I do it via a Bootcamp Windows install.
I bought a tiny office PC (Lenovo in my case) as a video/media server and “essential native Windows” system. In the post-Cable-TV era I stream video from umpteen sources, and an unlocked Windows machine is more versatile and powerful (and…arguably more clunky) than a dedicated Amazon, Chromecast, Roku, or Apple streamer. I also use a full-sized Bluetooth keyboard/trackpad instead of a remote.
Only one piece of Apple gear here, an iPhone 8 that the company gave me ( Literally ). I had a bad experience with Apple working for a Newspaper chain. So, I’ve stuck with Intel / AMD & Windows. Currently running with two NUC style PC’s & a Lenovo Laptop. Windows 10 & 11, work reasonably well. Linux on ARM, Raspberry Pi, handles the bulk of my Audio streaming.