Campfire Audio Solaris in-ear Headphones - Official Thread

Yea, it does correct some of the minor tonal issues with it. The downside is the 3D spacious sound shrinks slightly. It’s a compromise I’m willing to take though. I may try to tone down the EQ ever so slightly but I’m generally happy with it when using it with RME. I listen to it stock with my DAP though. Changes it all up :slight_smile:

The MiniDSP EARS can be removed from the stand and you can remove the ear pieces if you want. I dont know if you can remove the plate though. The bottom of the main box has a tripod thread too.

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Well, the Solaris is pretty amazing but, I just can’t get passed the ear pain with it… I got in the Spiral Dot L and that helped a lot but they are too big and end up creating a warped sound I think due to the Solaris nozzle not fitting all the way in my ear properly with them.

I wish my biology allowed me to wear these more… as I am rather addicted to the sound. Luckily the Andromeda fit almost just right, and I really enjoy them for their “Sparkle”. The Solaris I can easily say beats the Andromeda in all variations except the “sparkle” of the Andromedas, but not by a lot. I would say the greatest trick the Solaris has is the Holographic nature, it is something else and should be heard if the opportunity presents itself.

Hopefully, they can get that sound in a smaller package or a Ver.2.0! I would probably jump on a pair.

Aesthetically the Solaris is pretty gaudy…but for some reason, I was drawn to it…maybe it is because I am the year of the Rooster, and my inner strut comes out when I wear them lol. I do like the Black and Gold look but would have preferred a Copper/Brass/Bronze on black look.

Overall if my biology (ears) would have been more accepting to being penetrated by these :flushed: lol I probably would have bought them already. I kept trying and I just can’t deal with the ear pain. I think the longest I made it was an hour and change. But damn is that sound addicting… I battled the pain for a long time…but now I think it is time to pass these on to someone else :slight_smile: hopefully, whoever gets them next will have the biology to appreciate them for longer.

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I read on SBAF that CFA is looking into making their own custom tips for Solaris or something.

I’ve had pretty good luck with SpinFit 100 and 145 with the Solaris now in my normal size… and ironically, its the IEM tip that always works for me, almost every time, no matter the IEM. :smiley:

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Sorry to hear that, dude. You know, whiskey would probably help. If you drink enough, the pain in your head will distract you from the pain in your ears.

It’s kinda crazy. The Solaris has enough stage and separation that I’m hearing bigger differences between MP3 and HiRes. Each instrument has enough space around it that the harmonics and decay/release become more apparent, especially when it’s being cut by the compression algorithm. Before you send it off, check out the FLAC/MQA version of Myth - Beach House vs the MP3. You can hear the skin vibrating on the kick drum more naturally in the intro and the reverb of the vocals sounds more dynamic.

I don’t usually think my ears are good enough to hear the differences between 320 mp3 and HiRes, but certain songs through certain gear makes me wonder whether I should just deal with the inconveniences of Tidal or Qobuz.

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I do agree, the Solaris is crazy good at this. Thanks for the recommendation I’ll give it a go!

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Advanced Sound shipped out my custom tips for Solaris today. Hopefully I’ll get it Friday or Saturday before I fly out on Monday.

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Yeah, whiskey is always a good idea.

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Custom Advanced Sound tips for Solaris came…

These aren’t as great as I had hoped they would be so far. They are a pain to put on since they’re silicone and not acrylic, and they dont really stay on the drivers, so you can’t really just put them on and take them off together, which makes putting it on a little hard and frustrating. I guess the good part is you can take the IEM out and have the tip stay in your ear.

I’ll have to get used to it a little more. Otherwise, they fit comfortably once you get them in correctly and sound is pretty solid with the right fit. This isn’t exactly what I dreamed it would be. Wondering if I should try the CustomArt tips instead now.

I am also much happier now than I was a month ago with using normal silicone tips with the Solaris once I figured out the one or two tips that worked for me.

Also, they fit the Campfire IO too.

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@TylersEclectic dropped off the Solaris for me yesterday (thanks again for making the trip) and a bit later in the day I got a chance to give them a listen. They’ve been well burned-in as they’ve gone through the hands of a couple of people here, so that was an aspect I didn’t have to consider before listening.

Beyond a gross good/bad sort of first impression, it usually takes a bit longer for me to identify specific pros or cons with any transducer, but with the Solaris I had several immediate, in fact pretty much instant observations. Not wanting to be overly excitable, I decided to see how those would play out over the next half a day before commenting … but not much changed in that time.

So … here goes …

Instant Opinions™

Tips, Fit & Seal

With the Andromeda, and other IEMs on the same chassis/large-nozzle, I was never able to get them to both seal properly and be comfortable. I’ve tried dozens of tips in myriad sizes, and it was always the same … improper seal and reasonably comfortable, or a proper seal but they became uncomfortable-to-painful in maybe 30 minutes.

I was expecting a similar experience with the Solaris (even though it has a different nozzle, it looks similar in size) …

Instead, I was surprised to find that my first choice of tip, a SpinFit CP-155 (small), sealed perfectly on the first try. And while I was aware of having something in my ears more than I am with, say, my tia Fourte and the CP-500, I got through a couple of albums without it actually becoming painful. More tips to try, but this is a good start given what I was expecting.

Driver Flex

This was the first thing I noticed in actual use. Inserting the Solaris results in the dynamic drivers flexing audibly and consistently (i.e. it always happens - no matter what insertion technique I use and on both ears).

It’s only on insertion (for me) that this happens. I don’t get it when removing the IEMs nor when moving my head or fiddling with the cables.

This is one of my pet-peeve issues with dynamic and hybrid-driver IEMs and I personally find it extremely off-putting (mostly due to paranoia about it damaging the IEMs over time). And maybe it’s a bigger problem for me having small lugholes (less air volume to compress, so pressure gets higher, faster), but it bugs me nonetheless. Perhaps more so where exploring some very cheap hybrid IEMs covers a number of units that don’t exhibit this.

Left/Right Vocal Imbalance

On first starting a track playing (Tanita Tikaram, “Twist in my Sobriety”), I was immediately presented with off-center vocals. Instead of Ms. Tikaram’s voice being locked in the center, she was standing off to the right. I tried several more tracks where this would be obvious and it was a consistent thing.

I checked the cable (trying both the included on, and one of ALO Audio’s reference cables that I bought for use with a 4.4mm Sony player a while back). I swapped connections to see if the shift followed that … nope … still shifted to the right. I checked the balance setting on my source. That was correct. I tired other IEMs and headphones … vocals locked in the center. I tried a few other tips, insertions and so on, just to try and rule out having a pressure differential affecting the results but … same thing … vocals are shifted to the right, and enough that I cannot ignore it.

I don’t notice this shift in other areas, just in vocals, and would guess while it is not limited to vocals, they’re just the easiest way to be aware of it due to them frequently being centered. They’re also in the part of the frequency spectrum to which the ear/brain is most sensitive, so any shift here is going to be rather more audible than, say, one in the high-treble or bass. And the extremely wide stage the Solaris throws may also make this more audible than a similar differential in a less-wide presentation.

If I had bought these, this would be an immediate warranty/return issue for me.

At the same time, absent evidence to the contrary, I’m pretty confident it’s just an unlucky issue with this particular pair of Solaris and not an inherent issue with the product. No drivers match perfectly; just usually it’s not this audible.

Cayin N8 in “Tube Mode” & Solaris

Don’t do it …

This was how I started off listening as it has been such a glorious sound with everything else I’ve tried it with, from IEMs to full-size cans, from $20 to $4,000. It’s been so good, in fact, that I figured the, frankly bizarre, results I was getting with the Solaris were down to the sound of the IEMs themselves.

In reality it is, for whatever reason, just bad synergy/matching.

But it still does not gel well with the Solaris in this mode in my opinion. The immediate results were of a confused and peaky tonality, generally soft bass that lacked any kind of impact, rounded off attack, a muddy mid-range and an extremely diffuse overall sound and stage. All the polar opposite of what I’ve heard from the N8 in this mode, or any of Campfire’s other IEMs in the past.

Switching to the solid-state output on the N8 turned this around completely!

Light at the End of the Tunnel

This has all been a bit gloom-and-doom so far … but happily there is light at the end of the tunnel here … and it is NOT a train coming in the opposite direction …

Playing the Solaris via the solid-state output on the N8, from an A&K SP1000M, and the IEM output of an RME ADI-2 DAC, is a much better experience.

Note that notes from here on a) either are with music that excludes vocals, as the shift there is too much for me to ignore or b) has vocals, and I adjusted the balance there back to center with a professional studio EQ tool that allows for separate per-channel EQ settings.

Sound

The bass is tight, clean and fast with excellent texture and fantastic articulation. I’d like a bit more presence here, but that’s a personal preference and actual level is pretty much neutral. But the bass quality is on par with my favorite IEMs in this regard (tia Fourte, AAW W900).

Mids, and vocals, seem a little bit forward in the mix. My normal IEMs are a little U-shaped, so this maybe an exaggerated impression. Detail and coherence are both excellent.

Treble is smooth and extended, with a vivid sense of space, plenty of air, but stops short of the level of sparkle that, say, the Andromeda exhibits. Upper-frequency detail is superb, and the treble did not get fatiguing at all even with more challenging material.

Stage is … expansive … very expansive … the only IEMs I’ve heard that project an image this wide are those equipped with ADEL or APEX (both are “vented”) or that are otherwise not-fully-sealed. This, combined with the spacious, airy, sound result in an almost holographic, if somewhat close-to-the-stage rendering.

Attack and transient performance is precise and fast, and plucked strings maintain their bite, as do harsh brass notes, without stepping into stridency or exaggeration. Whatever was going on here in tube-mode is not an issue in solid-state drive!

Tone is basically neutral, with a little extra mid-presence. The excellent bass reproduction does make me want more of that, but again that’s a preference not an issue.

On big, complex, classical pieces, these have been quite beguiling and revealing so far. Similarly with instrumental jazz, they do something quite special, individual instruments all stand apart, but the presentation remains coherent, and the detail and subtle changes in dynamics are rendered clearly and cleanly.

I can see (or hear) why these have people interested/excited … I’m intrigued enough that, were I in the market for another universal IEM I’d get these swapped for a pair that didn’t exhibit the vocal shift I am getting here and delve in deeper. I might do that anyway as, to be fair, saying more really requires being able to properly run through my audition playlists without having a (probably imperfect) one-channel EQ applied to get the vocals back on center.

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Good write up! I concur with everything you have stated…Now looking back on my impressions and thoughts on these…I wonder if part of my problem with fit and something off was that imbalance you are experiencing… I had to swap out tips of different sizes one for fit and now that I think about it the sound did seem more “balanced/right” when I swapped tip sizes (a different size tip for left and right IEMs)… I also attribute my lack of experience with IEMs and a general dislike of them. Also the discomfort for me distracted me enough to not give these the attention they deserved. But I figured @antdroid and yourself (@Torq) would be much more experienced and capable in determining the value of the Solaris. I did really enjoy that “holographic” nature of them to the extent that I was contemplating dealing with earhole pain lol…

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I noticed that tip changes can drastically change the bass. I’ve had larger tips that have sealed so well that it has atlas-like bass, and smaller tips which still seal, but have much more fast-decay punchy bass. Source seemed to matter a bit too, and it is quite sensitive and has extremely low impedance (10ohm).

While, I don’t remember any major imbalance when I had them, I measured the one I did purchased and the channel matching was pretty good. Maybe check to see if the vent on the top by the mmcx connector is blocked?

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Different tips have definitely affected the bass levels, but I’d still call it neutral. Bass level is similar to what I get out of my Zeus XR(A). I wouldn’t call them bass-light or anything … it’s a neutral level … it’s just that quality of the bass is so good I want more of it!

I’ve run it out of the N8 in both tube (not a good fit) and solid-state (SE and balanced) modes, the A&K SP1000M and SR15, in both modes, and the RME ADI-2 DAC, and while there is some tonal shift among them, it’s not as pronounced for as, with, say the Andromeda.

But, again, I just think they’re more neutral in the bass and its the quality of it making me want more. Dialing it up in EQ certainly does the trick there … just won’t always be possible depending on how they’re being driven.

I wouldn’t be surprised if something had gotten wonked as they’ve traveled around etc.

As they stand right now, in the vocal region, the FR plot differs from between 1dB and 5 dB in favor of the right driver, with the average for the region being 2.5 dB.

If I take a headphone or IEM and apply even 1 dB of bias the vocals already audibly shift. By 2.5 dB the singer is way off center.

I’ll give that a look this afternoon … if it is, it might help the driver flex issue too …

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Yes I agree that Solaris is nowhere near as sensitive to source as Andromeda.

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It would be interesting to see what you find here. My Solaris is silent when inserting them. Any noise that I hear is from the movement of the tip in the ear canal. The way you put it, it’s an unmistakable sound.

Agreed! The bass is addictive! Do you still have your WM1Z? Have you tried the Solaris with it? The Final Audio ear tips that they provide seem to recess the mids as well as boost the bass. These are so comfortable, but for most music I prefer a more neutral FR, so I go with a silicon tip with a wider opening. It is nice to be able to roll the tips though!

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So I just took a look at the vents, and if they’re blocked in anyway I am not seeing it. Which doesn’t mean they aren’t, but there’s nothing visible even with tooling … just a hole that goes to blackness …

I do, and I haven’t yet (I boxed it up ready to ship). But I certainly can.

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Driver-flex is a pretty distinctive sound.

Another dead giveaway is that it’s almost always a double-sound as the driver first flexes out (in this case making a metallic-ish pop) and then back in (popping again) as the pressure abates (or you stop pushing).

Some hybrid and dynamic-driver IEMs do it, some don’t. Some do it more than others. Some copies do it more than others. Some don’t do it for everyone. Sometimes different tips alleviate it. Usually it’s only on insertion. It can be on both insertion and removal. It’s only an actual problem if it also occurs with minor movement of the head/cables (e.g. what I found with the KZ ZS7)

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I should emphasize a couple of points here …

First, driver flex is just something that bugs me. Perhaps unduly. I’ve never had an IEM fail from it, but based on how it sounds when it happens it always makes me think it might. I don’t like that sort of thought when using expensive gear (and I don’t really care for the sound it makes when it happens), but I cannot say it’s an actual problem … and when it does occur it’s not something I’d consider a “fault”.

I.E. It wouldn’t be a warranty-issue unless the manufacturer indicated it wasn’t normal.

Second, I am pretty sure something is actually wrong with this set of Solaris and that’s what’s causing the vocal shift. And given @antdroid’s comments and review (and his generally excellent analysis) I’d assume whatever it is occurred after he’d finished listening.

On other IEMs it could be as simple as a guide-tube coming undone. Solaris has none of those, so it can’t be that. But it could be a failing or failed BA driver (or joint or wire or whatever). Hard to say - I can only say for certain what the effect is.

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On Driver Flex - I did experience driver flex on the loaner unit using silicone tips. I have not experienced that on my new in box unit. I’m not sure if that’s related. I believe it was my right ear from memory that had occasional driver flex. It would happen using larger silicone tips from memory, but not all of them. I’ll have to go home and try some of my larger silicone tips on my current set.

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I also had issue with my right ear with these, I don’t recall driver flex overly but do recall them being wonky sounding if I didn’t get a good seal, and it was really hard to find tips that didn’t hurt instantly when trying them…but this is why I’m not an IEM guy, and why these spent majority of the time in my possession in their box…=( but when I did listen the soundstage was awesome and overall sounded like how you and @Torq describe…

I can’t recall if the vocals were off though…but maybe…as I didn’t give them enough time for a proper review. I did do a quick impressions write up with some pics but that was all… I still kind of wish they fit my ears better lol…

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I have a WM1A and the Solaris hisses with it to the point where I had to get a SR15 – upon @antdroid’s review – to use with the Solaris.

My Solaris doesn’t exhibit any changes imbalance or driver flex. At this point, I like the Solaris more than the IER-Z1R, wonky FR and all, because it actually sounds really good IRL and the Z1R is just so uncomfortable in the ear. I’ve got a 3-way comparison in the works between the Solaris, Z1R, and LCDi4. They’re all phenomenal in their own way.

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