Hi Everybody, not many of these kicking around but if anyone has one to sell let me know, I want this for my 2 channel system…Thanks!
I just got the Freya+ and can wholeheartedly recommend for 2 channel.
Sometimes, you just don’t want to mess with tubes though.
Having dealt with hum on a tube pre into a tube power amp, I agree.
And if anyone has 2, I’d take the other.
I’d never had anything with tubes except a guitar amp so wanted that option. Luckily I can choose to not use the tube buffer so it’s not a detriment to me.
The Freya preamps are quality. The Freya S differs in that it has Schiit’s Nexus gain stage while the Freya+ does not. The amount of gain in solid state mode is also less with the Freya+ compared to the Freya S. Neither has it all, so one may be preferred over the other depending on whether tube or solid state mode is primarily used.
Yes, I am trying to ADD gain when using speakers. I have one more DAC to try, my Matrix which comes home this week. It has a couple of settings that may work, but otherwise I need to feed my amp a louder signal and I have not found anything in the price range of the Freya S, especially balanced.
Specs say that the tube gain is +12db, do you notice any significant increase in noise floor using that? I am sure that is speaker dependent of course, but in general?
The tube gain stage on the Freya + is also 12db, just like the 4x Nexus on the Freya S, so in theory the same amplification. I wonder which is cleaner? I have heard the Freya + is pretty neutral…
Oh I see. I’m not aware of other balanced preamps in the price range of the Freya S, unfortunately. For single ended, I believe there is Parasound and the DIY Elekit TU-8500.
Another option might be to use one of the balanced Schiit headphone amplifiers, preamp output, but that might have less input/output connections than you need.
And I think the headphone amps are all passive pass through. I have tried my Asgard 2 single ended out into the Ovation and it still did not give enough spice to the amp…
That’s too bad about the A2. I believe the recent models I’ve tried are active, but you might want to confirm with Schiit - the speakers responded when I’d switch between low and high gain.
You may be right, I only tried high gain. For Asgard 3, they say this:
Gain: High = 6 (15.6dB) or Low = 1 (0dB), via rear switch
If the 15.6 db high gain is applied to the SE out also, that would suggest even more gain than the Freya S?? I’m confused.
I may try again but I dismantled everything preparing for the Matrix to get here. Even if the Asgard 2 is active, it was not quite enough gain.
The Matrix has a =10db setting designed for active speakers, I am going to see what that does and take it from there.
Thanks for the help!
You bet! Yup, it looks like the A3 has more gain than the Freya S. That isn’t necessarily a good or bad thing in itself, but does affect synergy and proper pairing with the rest of the chain. Some chains prefer more gain/spice, others less gain/spice.
Hopefully the Matrix works out. Sometimes setting the DAC output voltage to the highest setting helps. Good luck.
@bpcarb in case you are curious, I had an exchange with Schiit. They said the Asgard 2 is variable in that it can be controlled by the volume pot, but that it will only bring the pre-out up to “line level” without added gain. They stated clearly it will not add additional gain as will a Freya S. Or Freya + for that matter. That is consistent with my experiment with the Asgard 2 in between. No additional volume added, but I did not notice any degradation of sound either, which is nice.
"The Asgard 2’s pramp outputs are variable and can be controlled with the Asgard 2’s volume knob. It can control volume and add enough gain to make a line-level output, however it will not provide extra gain like the Freya S can. "
Thanks for the heads up. That’s interesting and consistent with what you are hearing.
No, I haven’t noticed any increase in noise using the tube buffer. Like you, I need the extra gain for my Purifi amp, depending on the source. A balanced 4V signal from the D70 doesn’t need the extra gain but my turntable does need the extra gain. Hasn’t the S been discontinued?
I didn’t think there was any gain using the Freya+ SS stage. If so I can’t detect it. There is no audible gain difference between the two on my system.
That sounds right. I think the online specs say the Freya+ SS stage has gain of 1, zero dB.