HOLY CRAP, I found it. The case for all my headphones.
I’m going to order 3 of them right now.
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SHOOT. What have I done. Know your audience.
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people thinking you packing heat… but really you packing the good vibes 
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Got the BE pads in hybrid form. They produce more bass then the universe or verite pads. I like them very pleasing.
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Interesting. I got the BE2 coming with my VO. Do you think it the pads themselves that allow more bass or maybe the suede attenuating the treble? I’ve chosen lamb skin as I didn’t want my sound to be “softened”.
Based on my pad rolling, the size of the ear hole/cavity and distance from the ear also impact frequency response, stage, reflections.
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I recognize that, just wondering if the material made more of a difference with the bass response. I don’t recall bass being touted as a feature of the BE2 but tbh I haven’t looked up the details in quite a while and I ordered the BE2 as a “why not” add on rather than being intrigued by what it may sonically impart.
I’m not in to case rolling so that’s likely as far as I’ll go but I might buy a hybrid of my eventual favourite just try it out.
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Your instincts are right that material had more of an impact on frequency response, at least to me and based on my exchanges with Zach where he referred to damping inpact. I personally value comfort and staging more, and then any sub optimal impact to frequency response can be adjusted with EQ - although I don’t find that necessary for my general listening.
I believe the BE2 are more neutral than the Universe, although lambskin should help preserve tonality.
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@BondDaBoom, interesting observations. I have been using the hybrid BE-2 for the last few weeks, really have not taken them off as often as the Universe or Verite pads. I found them to be nearly halfway across the board between the two. Definitely didn’t pick up more bass, but rather a slightly less reverberated bass compared to the Universe. I don’t have the best ears, so who knows what frequency of bass they pick up. My go to test track for bass is typically Angel by Massive Attack, the opening rumble is all bass and sets the tone.
I also found the BE-2 to be more forgiving across different set ups, whereas prior to owning I would swap pads depending on which amp I was using.
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I’m finding the bass more there. I’m listening to 100% edm so my music should tell me that there is more there then before. Maybe some lower frequencies might be less. The highs are more to my liking on the Universe pads.
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So after a/b/c the 3 pads the Be-2 produces more impact in the bass but darkens the presentation most likely due to the thicker foam skin covering the driver vs the Universe that is just cloth skin making a livelier sound. I like all three can’t pick a favorite.
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Just posting my EQ profile for the Verite flat perf lambskin pads here. If anyone has one with these pads, let me know what you think:
20hz: pk +2 Q=1.41
85hz: low shelf +1
200hz: pk -2 Q=1.2
400hz: pk -1.5 Q=1.2
800hz: pk -1 Q=1.41
1300hz: pk +1.5 Q=1.41
2350hz: pk +1.5 Q=2
2700hz: pk -1.5 Q=4
3300hz: pk +6.5 Q=2.2
4500hz: pk +0.5 Q=3
4900hz: pk -1.5 Q=4
5600hz: pk -4.5 Q=2.5
6000hz: high shelf +2.5
While I did measure this afterwards with the GRAS, this wasn’t actually to get it perfectly in line with Harman or anything. I left out a few things because to my ear this allows the VO to keep some of its flavor as well. Still keeping it on the smooth/relaxed side, just with a bit more energy in the upper mids.
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Couldn’t agree more about the thicker backing darkening things up. I think too much imo. I really enjoy the universe perf hybrid.
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Another quick and pointless impression: new Camphor Burl VO (not burned in yet because Ive only had them for maybe 7 hours) and using Universe Lambskin (angled) pads. BF2 and Starlett driving these, eventually…
First put them on and realized they were complete garbage, muffled, no dynamics, WTF. What I learned is that I should make sure the music is coming through my amp and not externally through my headphones via near field monitors. I figured that out in about 20 seconds as I realized things were amiss. However, I amused myself on that one.
To continue…
So yeah, this is a good can.
I asked many moons ago why people used the word “lush” to describe these, I understand now. Tonal richness and some cup reverb. Its an experience I like.
Timbre is tops. Tonality is more bassy than the Auteur or Utopia as expected. Maybe a touch shouty in the treble but this is rare and could be recordings Im using (new ones I havent heard before because why test a headphone with familiar material). I think the U has the edge on macrodynamics and transients but just slightly. Treble is definitely recessed in comparison to the U but the timbre makes up for it. Microdynamics and low level detail are tremendous. The Starlett works with these.
Soundstage is sufficiently wide and has nice 3 dimensional placement with the depth it has. Im impressed with the stage it can throw. Im not a soundstage fanatic yet. Im generally happy just as long as its not overly narrow and the imaging is good, U is probably a touch more precise imagining wise but the VO can handle its own.
I haven’t tried the Verite pads or the BE2 pads I have yet. Based on info I got from the wilds of this forum and other far off places I should prefer the BE2, but time will tell. All pads are lambskin. Man up suede people 
!!
Some have said the VO is just a warm version of the Utopia - I would disagree. These are different beasts.
Will do some burn in over the next bit and see what happens sound wise. I have to take these off now and do stuff, dont want to take these off and do stuff.
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Totally agree I don’t think they sound anything alike! Love the VO I have on loan right now. Congrats @perogie
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My nose and keyboard are furious at you. The glass of Scotch remains indifferent.
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Thanks. I was worried about my liking them as I very much enjoy the Utopia and was worried they would be too similar outside of commonly understood tonality differences. I’m glad they are different. I feel very lucky to have both.
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When we start anthropomorphizing our beverages does that mean we have had enough or too much? 
Reminds me that I haven’t had a good beer in quite some time.
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First put them on and realized they were complete garbage, muffled, no dynamics, WTF. What I learned is that I should make sure the music is coming through my amp and not externally through my headphones via near field monitors. I figured that out in about 20 seconds as I realized things were amiss. However, I amused myself on that one.
Earned an actual “lol” from me on that one, I can just imagine the thought and deduction process in that moment, as well as the face that goes with it. Glad you like your new cans and they’re not actually garbage, despite the initial 20 second impression haha
The glass of Scotch remains indifferent.
@ProfFalkin we have a “what are you listening to?” thread, I’m surprised we don’t have a “what are you drinking thread?” yet!
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